2019 India-Pakistani border clash

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    India has put up a diplomatic protest on South Africa for sale of Raptor II Stand-Off weapons to Pakistan which were used by PAF Mirages to bomb Indian military targets including a military brigade headquarter.

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    Apart from that India intends to play a role of drafting future sales of Saab 2000 ERIEYE AWACS to Pakistan in order to stop further purchasing.


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    Furthermore, India has protested that Pakistan used the US Made AIM-120 AMRAAMs to shoot down reportedly two of its fighter jets.

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    How? Was the missile hit came from the ground or on air from another aircraft perhaps? It seems that after about 10 minutes of take off that it was hit by missile by friendly fire. If so true, than Indian Air Force base commanders needs to do a better job at coordinating with each other.
     
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    So slowly facts coming out from India. The doomed IAF helicopter was not a crash due to technical fault. It was hit by a missile. Investigations reveal a missile launch was reported right before the chopper went down

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    lol, yes that's a very polite way to put it.
     
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    "Kill Shot!" to "Turn Cold" , the sadistic state of Indian media, once again caught in the web of their own lies. They have quoted Govt sources at multiple times saying that the last message received from Mig21-bison before they it went down was"Kill Shot!". Got us wondering, if a last message was received from Mig21, then how were the COMs jammed by PAF's EW Aircraft. Either they lied about the "Kill Shot!" claim then or they have cooked up another story of "Turn Cold" now.

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    After Balakot, IAF plans to equip Mirage 2000 aircraft with long-range Meteor missiles

    The 27 February dogfight showed Indian aircraft were outranged by Pakistan Air Force in aerial combat.


    SNEHESH ALEX PHILIP Updated: 30 March, 2019 1:14 pm IST

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    File photo of Meteor missiles displayed in front of German Air Force Eurofighter Typhoon | mbda-systems.com
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    New Delhi: The Indian Air Force is keenly considering arming the Mirage 2000 aircraft with potent long-range Meteor missiles as the 27 February dogfight highlighted that Indian aircraft were outranged by Pakistan Air Force in aerial combat.

    With the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile Meteor, the balance will once again tilt in India’s favour the way it happened during the Kargil war in 1999 when the Pakistan Air Force did not dare to close in because India had better air-to-air missiles.

    On 27 February, at the Line of Control (LoC), Pakistan’s F-16 fighter jets, armed with AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile, or AMRAAM, had targeted India’s frontline fighter aircraft Su-30 MKI.

    The Indian fighters, armed with R-73 and R-77 air-to-air missiles, could not target the F-16s because they were outranged as the F-16s were fired from a distance of about 45 km from the LoC.

    It is only when a Mig-21 Bison, flown by Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, chased an intruding Pakistani fighter jet across the LoC that it got a lock on and shot it down.

    Prime Minister Narendra Modi had later said that if the IAF had Rafale fighter jets, then the outcome would have been different.

    Top IAF officials told ThePrint that it indeed would have been the case.

    “Rafale armed with Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile Meteor would have been a huge deterrent as no Pakistani aircraft would have dared to come close by at least 100 km,” an official said.

    Mirage 2000 armed with Meteors
    The IAF, which is upgrading three squadrons of Mirage 2000s, is now keenly thinking about integrating the Meteor on them.

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    “The Meteor on the Mirage is something which we are keenly looking into. When the upgrade deal was signed with Dassault Aviation for the Mirages, the Meteor was still in the developing phase. And hence this would be a fresh deal. We are looking into the cost-effectiveness and other issues,” a top IAF source told ThePrint.

    The Air Force is looking at a combination of BrahMos NG, Israeli Derby, Meteor, indigenous Astra, R-73 and R-77 to gain aerial superiority.

    “There is no class of missiles in Pakistan and China that can match the Meteor at this point of time. However, China is investing heavily on indigenous cruise missiles and long-range missiles. Any missile that China will make will eventually get into the hands of Pakistan,” another IAF source said.

    The Indian Air Force had the upper hand during the Kargil war because Pakistan did not have a BVR, but India did. However, since then, they have acquired the AMRAAM, which tilted the balance in their favour.

    IAF’s plan for Meteor on Su-30 MKI and Tejas goes kaput

    The IAF’s initial plan to equip the Su-30 MKI and the Tejas with Meteor has gone kaput because the European firm, MBDA, refused to integrate them.

    The MBDA told the IAF that it cannot integrate the missile, with a range of over 120 km and a no-escape zone of 60 km, on a Russian platform or the Tejas, which uses Israeli radar.

    However, following heavy negotiations between the European firm and the IAF, the MBDA has agreed to reconsider once indigenous AESA radar, manufactured by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), is installed on board the Tejas Mark 1A or Mark II

    https://theprint.in/defence/after-b...craft-with-long-range-meteor-missiles/214587/
     
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    Meh. Silly. Why won't they just buy a more modern version of the R-77?
    The R-77-1 is available and it has about the same performance characteristics as the AIM-120C AMRAAM.

    Then you can upgrade some of the Su-30MKIs to something closer to the Su-35 spec like adding the Irbis-E radar.
    AFAIK the Russians themselves are planning to do that with their own airframes eventually.
     
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