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This is a discussion on USN planning full scale excersise in Pacific within the World Armed Forces forums, part of the World Strategic Defence Area category; Yes this summer another "Summer Pluse" excersise is scheduled. http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publ...cle_004948.php But in addition to that the USN will be sending ...

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    USN planning full scale excersise in Pacific

    Yes this summer another "Summer Pluse" excersise is scheduled.

    http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publ...cle_004948.php

    But in addition to that the USN will be sending one of it's CVN's from the Atlantic to the Pacific . The ship, Enterprise, will return to Norfolk when done.

    Gee I wonder why the USN is doing this? Yea like I don't know!

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    Atlantic carrier tagged for Pacific cruise
    By DALE EISMAN, The Virginian-Pilot
    © February 16, 2006

    WASHINGTON — Eager to demonstrate its flexibility and showcase the Pentagon’s sharpening focus on China, the Navy has announced plans to send a Norfolk-based aircraft carrier on an unusual Pacific Ocean cruise this summer.

    The Enterprise apparently will make the Pacific run as part of a deployment that is expected to begin in May. Navy spokesmen in Washington and Honolulu, headquarters of the Pacific Fleet, declined Wednesday to identify the carrier but the Navy Times newspaper said Adm. Gary Roughead, the Pacific Fleet commander, confirmed it will be the Enterprise.

    Roughead outlined plans for an Atlantic-to-Pacific deployment in a speech Tuesday in Washington. The Navy will have four carriers engaged in a variety of exercises in the Pacific during the summer, he said, the most such activity in at least a decade.

    Capt. Matt Brown, a spokesman for Roughead, said the Norfolk-based carrier selected for the trip will operate in the western Pacific during August in conjunction with a Pacific Fleet carrier, which he also declined to identify .

    Navy carriers typically operate as part of battle groups, with a supporting cast of cruisers, destroyers and submarines. How many of those ships will participate in the summer exercises also was unclear Wednesday.

    The Pacific deployment is thought to be the first in at least a decade for an Atlantic-based carrier. It comes on the heels of the publication earlier this month of the Pentagon’s “Quadrennial Defense Review,” a planning document that called for shifting additional naval resources from the Atlantic to the Pacific and identified China as a potential rival to U.S. naval power in the region.

    The review said the Navy will maintain six operational carriers in the Pacific, with five others assigned to the Atlantic Fleet after the expected retirement this year of the Mayport, Fla.-based John F. Kennedy.

    Because one carrier typically is undergoing major repairs and is out of service for two or three years at a stretch, the decision to keep six operational flattops in the Pacific means that at times only four will be available in the Atlantic.

    The review also called for assign ing 60 percent of the Navy’s attack submarines to the Pacific; those ships now are divided roughly evenly between Atlantic and Pacific.

    Brown stressed that the summer exercise is not a precursor to relocation of a Norfolk-based carrier to the Pacific. The participating ship will return to Hampton Roads at the end of its deployment, he said.

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    Re: USN planning full scale excersise in Pacific

    US to China: "Step away from the cookie jar!"

    Well I guess this is a hint that the US will defend Taiwan, without actually saying anything that would then bind an administration to act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FuManChu
    US to China: "Step away from the cookie jar!"

    Well I guess this is a hint that the US will defend Taiwan, without actually saying anything that would then bind an administration to act.
    US will not defend Taiwan because China is a nuclear power and secondly, Taiwan is Chinese territory. US will not risk nuclear war just to defend an island that not belong to US. Even China can not defend other nations from invaded by US, so US cannot interfere in PRC internal affairs.

    I hope China performs large-scale military exercises in mid-2006 to react against American imperilasm. LOL USA don't like Soviet missiles in Cuba and so does China don't like US Patriot missiles in Taiwan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Su-34
    US will not defend Taiwan because China is a nuclear power and secondly, Taiwan is Chinese territory. US will not risk nuclear war just to defend an island that not belong to US. Even China can not defend other nations from invaded by US, so US cannot interfere in PRC internal affairs.

    I hope China performs large-scale military exercises in mid-2006 to react against American imperilasm. LOL USA don't like Soviet missiles in Cuba and so does China don't like US Patriot missiles in Taiwan.
    The chances of an overstretched US military deciding to take on China is utterly remote. It is designed to frighten China off Taiwan when the US military eventually begins it's campaign against Iran.

    It may be that the US military has concluded after considering what it has stated are 'hidden' increases in Chinese military activity that China is getting ready for a move in Taiwan.

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    Re: USN planning full scale excersise in Pacific

    Quote Originally Posted by Su-34
    US will not defend Taiwan because China is a nuclear power and secondly, Taiwan is Chinese territory. US will not risk nuclear war just to defend an island that not belong to US. Even China can not defend other nations from invaded by US, so US cannot interfere in PRC internal affairs.

    I hope China performs large-scale military exercises in mid-2006 to react against American imperilasm. LOL USA don't like Soviet missiles in Cuba and so does China don't like US Patriot missiles in Taiwan.
    Regardless of who Taiwan "officially" belongs to, or whether or not this is an internal affair, I don't think a comparison between the Soviet missiles in Cuba and the Taiwanese controlled Patriot missiles in Taiwan can be made...

    But you are right in stating that one of the main reasons the US might not defend Taiwan is because China has nukes.

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    It is always amusing how people always assume that China will automatically escalate to nuclear weapons, if the US intervenes in Taiwan. Do you even know what type of retaliation the US nuclear forces can visit on China?

    Put yourself on this situation.
    You are the President of China, Taiwan has declared independence and you move to invade. US forces sink the majority of your amphibious forces in international waters. Therefore you cannot land a sizable amount of troops to wrestle the island away from Taiwan. With their job done US forces retreat and leave Taiwan to deal with the air war and naval war.

    What do you do?
    Nuke LA?

    All the US has to do is sink the transports. All the airstrikes and ballistic missile attacks will not make Taiwan part of China. You need boots on the ground (infantry) to do that.

    Furthermore...if we are talking about a nuke war...
    Do you know China does not have significant second strike capability?
    Do you know how many nuclear weapons the US have?
    Do you know how many delivery systems the US can use?

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    Fortunately for the rest of us, the current PRC leadership is well aware of the lopsided nuclear-arms comparison between the PRC and the US, and will most likely not start a nuclear war.

    PRC: 24-36 DF-5 ICBM's, 1x Xia SSBN with 12x JL-1, 094 SSBN operational status?

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    Re: USN planning full scale excersise in Pacific

    Ok, keep the feelings in check there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gollevainen
    Ok, keep the feelings in check there...

    No Taiwan depates again, We just closed a nother one
    Fair enough....

    This exercise is meant to show that the US navy can muster, within days, the majority of its assets to any point in the world (with the western pacific as the proxy) The key here is that these forces can stay on station, thanks to underway replinishment, for a long time.

    China has yet to show the same capability...the ability to muster the majority of its military assets in a sustained and coordinated operation. Likewise, China still has to prove that it can keep its forces on station, supplied and feed.

    Here is an example:
    Supposed China and Japan have a crisis with one of the oil fields in the East China sea. Both send in ships to show the flag, show their intent, etc. How long do you think the PLAN ship can stay on station? I bet you the JMSDF, with their greater logistical capability, can keep their ships their at peak condition and well supplied for longer period of time. Their will be a point when the PLAN ships must go back to port in order to resupply...

    Here is another one..say both sides have 20 ships and you need to have 24 hour presence in the region. PLAN must divide their ships, one on station, the other in port, to keep the operational tempo. Now the JMSDF, with their superior underway replenishment, can keep 20 ships on station all the time. If war were to occur, your forces in the front lines are automatically outnumbered.

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    Re: USN planning full scale excersise in Pacific

    Interesting responses to my simple post about a USN CVN excersise. I had no intenton of sparking a PRC Vs ROC debate

    In a yahoo USN forum the response was much different. Members were bemoaning the fact that the USN had to send a CVN from the east coast to the west coast to participate in this excersise. Those guys crack me up. I think they fail to realize that the whole event is a show to the rest of the world what the US can do with it's forces. That's all. Personally I think the world already knows that. Look for the US have more such excersise in the future.
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    Idont, what makes you think the PLAN has poor logistical and resupply ability? We have three massive large, ships capable of vertrep, and many other smaller ones. Japan itself only has the capability to resupply so many warhships before returing to port aswell. The plan shall simply send the 52cs and 51cs to provide general cover for the area, while the Sovs will laucch devastating raids on the japanese fleet, in groups of two, ensuring the attacks are non-stop. The plan also has adequate ships to serve s decoys. With the low RCs of most plan ships, the japanese will be at a distinct disadvnatage.

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    let's stay away from the PRC vs ROC or PRC or japan thread.. or else going to have to close it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MIGleader
    Idont, what makes you think the PLAN has poor logistical and resupply ability? We have three massive large, ships capable of vertrep, and many other smaller ones. Japan itself only has the capability to resupply so many warhships before returing to port aswell. The plan shall simply send the 52cs and 51cs to provide general cover for the area, while the Sovs will laucch devastating raids on the japanese fleet, in groups of two, ensuring the attacks are non-stop. The plan also has adequate ships to serve s decoys. With the low RCs of most plan ships, the japanese will be at a distinct disadvnatage.
    The JMSDF has routinely resupplied US carrier battlegroups in the past. The longest re-supply run was in the Indian ocean. Can the PLAN claim the same? In fact, PLAN has never demonstrated such capability in its military exercises. The only instance that I know of is when the Luhai visits other countries, it is continually escorted by one resupply ship.

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    The plan has done resupplys for its luhai and luhu class warships for around the world voyages. since this is a fiarly local conflict, extensive supply routes are not required. The plan has three large muti product replenishment ships and two other large tankers. The tankers can provide all the fuel nessacery, so the multi-product ships can be entirely dedicated to carrying ammunitions and food. Chima also operates another smaller fleet support ship, the shichang.

    Even so, chinese songs, yuans, and kilos will completely anihilate the japanese fleet before the surface warships arrive. The submarines can be supported by a variety of submairne auxilary ships. The kongos may have aegis, but the rest of japans ships dont, making them very vulnarable to sovs and moskits.

    ther is no the japanese surface fleet can survive constnat raids by plan stealthy facs, which will be almost be impossible to detect. The result of such assymetrical tactics: China will wipe the floor with japan. Not to mention companies like Sony will soon be begging the japanese government to end the war.

    This summer pulse, as i see it, is a sign from the u.s to japan and taiwan that the u.s navy is willing, and capable of protecting them when the chiense strike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MIGleader
    The plan has done resupplys for its luhai and luhu class warships for around the world voyages. since this is a fiarly local conflict, extensive supply routes are not required. The plan has three large muti product replenishment ships and two other large tankers. The tankers can provide all the fuel nessacery, so the multi-product ships can be entirely dedicated to carrying ammunitions and food. Chima also operates another smaller fleet support ship, the shichang.

    Even so, chinese songs, yuans, and kilos will completely anihilate the japanese fleet before the surface warships arrive. The submarines can be supported by a variety of submairne auxilary ships. The kongos may have aegis, but the rest of japans ships dont, making them very vulnarable to sovs and moskits.

    ther is no the japanese surface fleet can survive constnat raids by plan stealthy facs, which will be almost be impossible to detect. The result of such assymetrical tactics: China will wipe the floor with japan. Not to mention companies like Sony will soon be begging the japanese government to end the war.

    This summer pulse, as i see it, is a sign from the u.s to japan and taiwan that the u.s navy is willing, and capable of protecting them when the chiense strike.
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