This is a discussion on Taiwan military news and discussion part II within the World Armed Forces forums, part of the World Strategic Defence Area category; First of all, the Rafale project was shown off to fully replace the whole fleets of the french airfoce only. ...
First of all, the Rafale project was shown off to fully replace the whole fleets of the french airfoce only. I mean, not prepared for any exportation at the first time of the project.
Then OECD convention signed by France (no comment...). No political support for exportations. F1 and F2 standards were liabilities to push the aircraft abroad, leading it to a full maturity (F3 standard) later than finally expected. And now a high EUR currency cannot help all the european industries in their current and pending exportations.
Back to the topic, I wonder if Taiwan can be associated with Japan in a gen 5 aircraft project. By then, they better face a too powerful militarized China, darkening the overall Asia.
Similar stories happen in America, but we just never heard about on the news. In fact countless Sikhs were attacked immediately after 911 because they were mistaken to be the same people as of Bin Laden, simply because of their head-wear. The same applies to the current controversial topic of building a mosque near ground zero.
I'm not saying who is evil and who is wrong. I'm just saying that it is hard for two groups of people to cooperate, especially at the level of making weapons, when they have hatred towards one another.
The question shouldn't be if the Rafale is 'good enough' for the ROCAF, the question should be 'would any country in their right mind sell Taiwan fighter aircraft'? I don't think the ROC is in any sort of position right now to be picky about national defence (although from their actions, some in government may not realize this fact). The only country that I could think of who have the least amount of political and financial capital to lose in signing military deals with the ROC would be India. Tejas' over Taipei? Give them a few years and this might not be the only option left? Countries may poke and prod China's patience when dealing with Taiwan but very few are willing to feel the brunt of Beijing's global financial displeasure.
I've thought about India and Taiwan doing some defence deals. Given the amount of hardware Pakistan is getting from China, and that soon they might be getting subs I often wonder what the chances are of India selling Taiwan some equipment?
Unless India wants to antagonize its already relatively uneven relationship with China, then I don't think it will move to sell weapons to Taiwan in the near future. If one day China is more reliant on India for its economy, and is militarily and politically far less potent, then Indian arms sales to Taiwan are a possibility but that kind of balance does not look on the cards in the next few decades, at least.
Basically, if the US isn't willing to sell weapons to Taiwan, then you can be near sure no one else will be.
Well, those two IDF C/D prototypes back in 2006 were new builds, weren't they?
Taiwan's sentiment towards Japan is far more friendly than that of China, for Japan did a pretty good job in its colonization, including image building, and the dismal shape of the KMT when they take over...see, when Japanese finally leave their military was in orderly fashion, and the KMT troops were simply ragtag to say the least.
Even now, culturally Taiwan is more affected by the Japanese, and not to mention their "green camp" is very tightly tied with Japanese...truth to be told, it's far more than an alliance...
And on the topic of prospect of joint military project, even if there's US silent consent, Japan's constitution would prevent it from making it a reality until they change it, as there'd be complicated issues with splitting the workload, ratio of components production, and most importantly export of key elements (unless using complicated workaround, but that'd further drive up the cost nonetheless)...how about work in secret? Taiwan's media have no sense of national security, that they'd see it as a scoop and would more than happy to wip up a storm to crash and burn such project.
Better off to buy stuff through Singapore (which have been done before, like the 35mm AA gun Taiwan is using now) or knock on US door...
Last edited by MwRYum; 04-16-2011 at 03:48 AM.
Other than US, the only other realistic source of military hardware for RoC will be the Russians. At least they can also offer a full suite of options ranging from fighters (MIGs, SUs), warships, subs (kilos will be nice), tanks (T-90s perhaps?) and missiles (BrahMos, S-300, etc).
The other problem is that the plane costs now more than both the Gripen (not a surprise) and the Rafale.
Typhoon bill 'unacceptably high'
15 April 2011
Typhoon bill 'unacceptably high' - Defence Management
This european plane is also not as advanced as these 2 aircrafts in multirole tasks. Last but not least, some partners are not ready to fund the rest of their orders considering it as a waste of money, and hesitating when asking for more & more money required in the last Tranches.
That s why I see the Gripen, Rafale and of course the F-16 as the best planes for the ROCAF, in urgent need of next gen. multirole fighters.
Now time to distract you guys
Taiwan to build new 'stealth' warship
Construction starts in 2012, so I'm assuming it's domestic builder (Y). Most likely CSBC?
This is some good news, if it's indigenous.