Reply With QuoteNow this is interesting, India providing the money and Russia the know-how, they could form quite a team. What was the nuclear sub mentioned in the text? Any reports on the class or pennant number? Terms for the deal?
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russia and india discuss the possipility of making 5th generation fighter together
Plan for fighter aircraft
Russia wants to team up with India
T.R. Ramachandran
Tribune News Service
New Delhi, October 12
Russia is keen that India should partner it in developing a fifth-generation fighter aircraft as the defence needs of the two countries are similar. The Kremlin firmly believes that this will speed up the process of developing such an aircraft as pooling of enormous resources will facilitate it a great deal. The US, which is also engaged in producing a fifth-generation fighter aicraft, has already spent close to $ 40 billion. Moscow will only be too keen to have India as a trusted partner in this ambitious endeavour.
In this context, the collaboration between the two countries in developing the Brahmos missiles is brought to the fore. There is also a need for the two countries to develop future- generation transport aircraft, specially for the armed forces.
India’s proposal of leasing a second Russian nuclear submarine appears to have receded in the background with the signing of the deal with France for the acquisition of the Scorpene submarines with complete transfer of technology enabling this country to manufacture them at the Mazagaon docks in Mumbai.
“Chakra” was the first nuclear submarine leased from Russia.
While emphasising that it was entirely the Congress-led UPA government’s decision to diversify the country’s defence purchases rather than being wholly dependent on Russia, authoritative sources drew pointed attention to Moscow’s “consistent” policy of not making defence sales to India’s neighbour Pakistan. This despite the fact that Islamabad has made several approaches to Moscow showing keen interest in Russian armaments.
These and other issues are expected to figure at the summit between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh when he visits Moscow in the first week of December. It is scheduled from December 4 to 6 a few days after the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in the island state of Malta in the Mediterranean.
In a first of its kind, the armies of India and Russia are presently engaged in a joint exercise in Rajasthan to hone their skills in dealing with the growing menace of international terrorism.
About 80 crack paratroopers of the Russian army are engaged in various exercises specially aimed at demolishing the terrorist infrastructure and wiping out the terrorist elements. Russia believes there is a lot it can learn from India in tackling the problem of terrorism which it has been dealing virtually since Independence. The Russians have arrived in this country with heavy duty equipment and transport aircraft along with the requisite Air Force personnel. These exercises already under way are expected to be spread over 10 days till October 20.
Simultaneously from October 18 to 20, the Indian and Russian navies will hold joint exercises off Visakhapatnam where the Indian Navy’s Eastern Command is based. While the Russian ships of missile cruisers are already close to Indian territorial waters, they will move in on October 18. The Russians will only have surface and other support ships and no submarines. There will be some Indian submarines taking part in the exercises.
Russia’s Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov will arrive here on October 15 and witness the exercises between the two armies the next day and subsequently visit Visakhapatnam.
Interestingly, Russia’s former Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov, who is currently the Secretary of the Russian Security Council, is arriving here on a three-day visit from October 21. He will hold discussions with National Security Adviser M.K. Narayanan who had paid a brief two-day visit to Moscow immediately after the Prime Minister’s visit to New York last month.
Later from October 26 onwards, External Affairs minister K. Natwar Singh will be in Moscow for the Indo-Russian Joint Commission meeting as well as prepare for Dr Manmohan Singh’s visit to the country for the annual summit between the two countries.
from Tribuneindia.com
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Now this is interesting, India providing the money and Russia the know-how, they could form quite a team. What was the nuclear sub mentioned in the text? Any reports on the class or pennant number? Terms for the deal?
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i read it that the rumored deal to india to rent a AKULA class sub is somehow errupted...
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I thought the Indians were buying an AkulaOriginally Posted by Gollevainen
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Is this the first instance of nuclear powered submarine export to date?
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well, the reports are that China is also contacted about co-developing PAK FA. Who really knows what's going on.
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Actually its India and Russia have joined to produce PAK-FA !!
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nah, no actual aircraft deals have been signed yet. the russians have been trying to sell the pak-fa idea for a while, but no takers.
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Export? They are only renting it for a year, right? They just observe some technology and then give it back.
I doubt nuclear subs have ever been exported if you exclude renting.
India did rent a Charlie sub in the 80s.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Charlie-I.html
So this is the end of the MCA?
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PAK FA is until now is a secret programme . But its definite that India is with Russia in some new Stealth fighter project. And after Mig's stealth fighter lost competetion against Sukhoi, then PAK FA is the one left !!!
MCA is going to be enriched by PAK FA's tech !!!
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ah, the eternally optimistic Indians. Judging by the progresss of LCA, I'm guessing MCA might come out by the time F-22 retires.PAK FA is until now is a secret programme . But its definite that India is with Russia in some new Stealth fighter project. And after Mig's stealth fighter lost competetion against Sukhoi, then PAK FA is the one left !!!
MCA is going to be enriched by PAK FA's tech !!!
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The US expects the F-22 to serve in the Air Force for the next 40 years.
That's a long time for India to develop the MCA.
Let's be candid, India doesn't have the money for a $40 billion 5th generation fighter development program. India will focus on their Navy over the next 40 years and Navies don't come cheap. I'm not holding my breath for an MCA in 50 years.
If India is smart they'll accept the Russian offer, because their indigenous program has accomplished far too little and is falling behind.
With this offer, India may have a 5th gen fighter within 15 years. Without it, the'll have to divert much needed Naval funds to a questionable MCA program which won't be actualized for a few decades.
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either way, you spend money. the russian obviously plan to do most of the developing and are just looking for a someone with a big pocket book.
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You mean the I-2000?And after Mig's stealth fighter lost competetion against Sukhoi, then PAK FA is the one left !!!
Why did the MiG design fall out?
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Disclaimer: By America, I meant the Continent. And yes, I know Asian homes have neither a backyard nor a porch in the American sense.
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sounds like another LCA in the works
in 50 years, when the americans phase out the f-22, the first indian prototype will fail all indian airforce standards and fail to get a contract, and then they will say it's the best fighter in the world but needs 'slight modifications' like changing everything and redesigning the airframe
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