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    Re: China Got A New Ship For Pakistan

    The Type 730 might be too big, but an AK630 or two would fit fine.

    They would not leave the rear deck empty, my guess is that they will put two patrol boats on the aft open deck to facilitate boarding of smaller ships or scouting.

    As for the 022, well the boats by themselves are rather useless. The tiny radars they do carry are nowhere near powerful enough for them to use their missiles. If Pakistan buys the Type 022, they would need to also purchase all the support and off-board targeting assets that allow those boats to function in their intended role.

    I do not expect that to come cheap, and getting enough 022s to use them the way the boats were designed is not going to be cheap either.
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    Re: China Got A New Ship For Pakistan

    Where's the sonar dome or bulge on this ship? Don't want the same thing happen to it like the Cheonnan (South Korean naval ship sunk by the DPRK). Does anyone has pics on that shows the bottom of the hull?

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    Re: China Got A New Ship For Pakistan

    Say, if China is building these for Pakistan, that means at some point the Chinese have shown off models of them at those trade exhibitions, right? Could anyone able to dig something up?

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    Re: China Got A New Ship For Pakistan

    i have a feeling it's for China's coast guard. fast and packs moderate firepower.

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    Re: China Got A New Ship For Pakistan

    Type 022 is not practical for PN but more small, fast, mobile missile patrol boats would be good which is what PN is looking to build up, equipped with anti-ship missiles can be a serious concern for opposing navys(like iran has done) , PN cant match ship for ship against India so alternative approach is neccasary plus lossing a large destroyer hits moral of the service man, like ARA General Belgrano

    and lessons from 1971 show that we do need a airdefence coverage for our coast, land based Type 730 CIWS would not be a bad idea , Israel has done with with Phalanx in Northern Border

    however I hope we hear some good news regarding SSK, and new modern frigates, they would add a termendous boost to the navy

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    Quote Originally Posted by asif iqbal View Post
    and lessons from 1971 show that we do need a airdefence coverage for our coast, land based Type 730 CIWS would not be a bad idea , Israel has done with with Phalanx in Northern Border
    Already been done mate. That is just the first example, the latest LD-2000 also features 6 side mounted MANPADs.

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    Re: China Got A New Ship For Pakistan

    Its one of the 2 FACs ordered by Pak Navy.... 1 will be built in China while other by Karachi Shipyard-Pakistan.

    http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&so...yYGqeMarVgXivg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali Khan View Post
    Its one of the 2 FACs ordered by Pak Navy.... 1 will be built in China while other by Karachi Shipyard-Pakistan.

    Information Dissemination: Chinese 500 ton FAC for Pakistan
    According to the article the construction work is scheduled to complete in October, judging from the pics things are progressing on schedule so far.

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    Re: China Got A New Ship For Pakistan

    A silly question: FAC means Fast Attack Craft. With the max speed of 30 knots, how can they call it fast?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelBird View Post
    A silly question: FAC means Fast Attack Craft. With the max speed of 30 knots, how can they call it fast?
    probably much faster than that during battle. those things are tiny and have inproportionately huge engines. they can do quiet a big of damage.

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    “阿兹麦特”号,C802A,舰员12-14人,单价5000万美元。

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    ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Navy has become the first maritime force in the region that is equipped with stealth technology after its first Fast Attack Craft (FAC) equipped with missiles was launched on Tuesday. India also launched its FAC on the same day in Kochi.
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    “The version Pakistan has bought has far better qualities and added features including cost efficiency and multi-role in any combat activity,” said an insider. “The inclusion of the FAC-M in Pakistan navy will enhance its capacity to fight against terrorism and extremism.”1 p0 V7 t4 Q) k# T

    According to the Pakistan Navy, the FAC-M, designated as PNS Azmat was launched at Tianjin (Xingang Chinese Shipyard) in an impressive ceremony where Pakistan’s Chief of Naval Staff (CNS) Admiral Noman Bashir was the chief guest. The vessel will be the first of the Azmat class FAC, scheduled to be delivered to the Pakistan Navy within six months.
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    The missile craft construction project represents a quantum leap, not only in defence production in the maritime sector of Pakistan, but also addresses a long-standing operational requirement of the Navy. The fast attack craft is equipped with advanced weaponry and sensors, including the C802A surface-to-surface missile, and has stealth features. The FAC in question has a crew of 12 to 14 sailors, less than half that of similar craft. At a unit cost of an estimated $50 million each, a Navy with limited resources could afford both the financial and manpower commitment.

    Admiral Noman Bashir, who has brought several innovations in Pakistan, addressed the ceremony marking the launching of FAC-M. Acknowledging the efforts of Chinese engineers and technicians for the construction of FAC-M, the chief guest felicitated the China State Shipbuilding Company (CSOC), Xingang Shipyard for their full cooperation and commitment in launching the craft as per schedule and remarked that this was yet another example of the unique and unparallel relations between the two countries.6 K7 \' }/ p& U+ ~" r- A7 J

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    The CNS said that this project represents a quantum leap not only in the defence production in Maritime Sector of Pakistan but also addresses a longstanding operational requirement of Pakistan Navy.
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    “The collaboration in this project hopefully will open new vistas of cooperation which will be yet another milestone in defence cooperation between China and Pakistan,” he said, adding that the induction of the missile craft will not only supplement Pakistan’s combat potential but also afford the Pakistan Navy the opportunity to distinctly uphold its forward presence in the area of interest, contributing to a balance the power in the region.0 x: |8 }5 {8 R
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    The admiral said the environment around us warrants the Pakistan navy to be prepared to counter the forces challenging our sovereignty as well as regional peace and security.
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    Admiral Noman Bashir said he was confident that the construction of the second fast attack craft in Pakistan will be accomplished successfully with the full cooperation ofChina.
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    The Indian media has reported that India added a new warship to its fleet with the commissioning of FAC in Kochi to aid in anti-piracy operations in the Arabian Sea. It has been named after an island in the Andaman and Nicobar archipelago as Kabra.

    Vice Admiral Sushil underscored the importance of relatively smaller ships like fast attack craft for a blue water navy, saying the assets were an essential inventory in peacetime for low intensity conflicts and anti-piracy operations. - t5 s' Z& y' z- R9 \
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    It is the eighth of a series built with borrowed technology. The main armament of the ship is a 30mm CRN 91 gun. In addition, the ship has been fitted with machineguns of various types and shoulder launched surface-to-air missiles. INS Kabra has a three-officer and 39-sailor crew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CottageLV View Post
    probably much faster than that during battle. those things are tiny and have inproportionately huge engines. they can do quiet a big of damage.
    At a certain speed the bow wave has nearly the same length as the ship and the ship is pushed by the next top of that wave giving a very moderate drag. When the speed is increased the ship looses that advantage and the drag increases enormously. For this ship ( length is 60 m ) 30 kts is a very high speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKSDU View Post
    i have a feeling it's for China's coast guard. fast and packs moderate firepower.
    Although not a bad idea, I think that's not going to be the case.

    China's maritime enforcement is more desperate in needs of bigger and longer ranged ships of any kind, rather than small fast boats. In a sense, who's going to mess around at those supposed coast guard's boats' patrol range (close to shore) any way?

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    IMO this is basically a modernized version of Type 37-II missile FAC. To get a helipad and CIWS, you'd need to go up to the 056 class tonnage.

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