North Korean plane crashes in China

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A short but interesting news on Xinhua that an unidentified small airplane had crashed at Largu, FuShun, LiaoNiang Province on 8/17 afternoon.
Could it be a spy UAV from a neighboring country?
According to the news, the incident is still under investigation.

Hopefully it is just some poor pilot who got disoriented in a Cessna. Imagine the escalation if it were, indeed, a spy drone that crashed!

Well, hope the guy survived then.

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Well, finally saw the photo and the small airplane is a North Korea Mig-21.
A defector?

If it's a foreign fighter that crashed, that raises the question of how secure the Chinese airspace is.

Agree with what ZTZ99 had said. All those fancy radars breakthrough seemed to be kind of useless.

The plane that crash was a Mig-21... which was an obsolete fighter with no stealth capability at all... and it could get into China airspace that easy. Make me wonder, what would a real stealth aircraft like the B-2 and F22 could do.

what makes you believe that the planes was not tracked? im pretty sure that they knew what it was way before the photos came out

Largu town is about 200 Km from North Korea border and about 50KM from Shenyang city. From the photo the plane has no burned mark and did not break up, most likely it ran out of fuel trying to reach Shenyang airport.

I understand to prevent pilot defection, the planes are normally filled with just enough fuel for flying just about to their southern border. If the pilot wanted to defect, the only way is to fly north into China. Just my 2 cent thought.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/19/wo...er=rss&emc=rss

Originally Posted by New York Times

North Korean Plane Crashes in China

By DAVID BARBOZA and CHOE SANG-HUN
Published: August 18, 2010

SHANGHAI — A North Korean plane crashed in northern China on Tuesday, apparently killing the pilot, the only person on board, according to China’s state-run Xinhua News Agency.

Yonhap, the South Korean news agency, citing unnamed intelligence sources, said that the plane appeared to be a Soviet-era military jet and that the pilot might have been trying to defect.

Xinhua said the plane crashed into a house in a rural area of Liaoning Province, which borders North Korea. The Chinese report said that no one on the ground was killed or injured in the accident.

Cao Yunjuan, a 54-year-old farmer in Fushun County, where the crash occurred, said she saw the plane going down but that she heard no explosion.

“Around 3 p.m. yesterday, I saw a small plane going down and soon it disappeared from my view,” she said in a telephone interview on Wednesday. “There was no blast, though.”

Ms. Cao said she lives less than a mile from the crash site and that when she and other villagers went to see the wreckage, many saw a North Korean emblem on the plane’s tail.

Police officials have since cordoned off the area, she said.

Xinhua said China was now communicating with North Korea about the accident.

Yonhap said the North Korean aircraft appeared to be a MiG-21 jet. Quoting an unnamed South Korean military source, it said the jet took off from an airfield in Sinuiju, a North Korean town on the far western border with China. Yonhap said the pilot appeared to be defecting to Russia but lost course and crashed in China. Officials in the South Korean Defense Ministry declined to comment on the Yonhap reports.

Although thousands of North Koreans have fled their repressive home country in the past decade and a half, it would be highly unusual for an elite pilot to defect to a foreign country. A North Korean pilot flew his MiG-19 to defect to South Korea in 1983. Another North Korean pilot did the same in 1996.


David Barboza reported from Shanghai, and Choe Sang-Hun from Seoul, South Korea. Bao Beibei contributed research from Shanghai.

There are a couple of photos of the MiG-21 online already, it looked like it was already in pretty rough shape even before it crashed.

I guess the eject mechanism didn't work too well either...

Originally Posted by terrorhunter

what makes you believe that the planes was not tracked? im pretty sure that they knew what it was way before the photos came out

The standard procedure for most airforce around the world would be... if a foreign fighter jet entered your airspace would be to scramble one or two interceptors to intercept the fighter.

China did none of it... as seen from some of the news floating around the internet... there obviously is a witness that the small jet had crashed (note that there was no Chinese fighters or interceptors chasing it or escorting it).

This could show that either they are damn sure that

1) korean jet is going to crash,
2) They mistaken the korean jet as one of theirs (which is a massive blunder if that was the case),
3) the radar didn't trace or detected the fighter, or
4) The assessment was that this fighter is actually no threat at all... (which is also another blunder because irregardless of the threat level, it is an intrusion of a foreign jet illegally and so should be intercept!)

Take this incident and place it in the US and see what will happen. A foreign fighter jet intrude into the US airspace... and see if US would scramble F16s to intercept it or not... irregardless whether the jet is a deflect or with actual other intents.

Originally Posted by rhino123

The standard procedure for most airforce around the world would be... if a foreign fighter jet entered your airspace would be to scramble one or two interceptors to intercept the fighter.

China did none of it... as seen from some of the news floating around the internet... there obviously is a witness that the small jet had crashed (note that there was no Chinese fighters or interceptors chasing it or escorting it).

This could show that either they are damn sure that

1) korean jet is going to crash,
2) They mistaken the korean jet as one of theirs (which is a massive blunder if that was the case),
3) the radar didn't trace or detected the fighter, or
4) The assessment was that this fighter is actually no threat at all... (which is also another blunder because irregardless of the threat level, it is an intrusion of a foreign jet illegally and so should be intercept!)

Take this incident and place it in the US and see what will happen. A foreign fighter jet intrude into the US airspace... and see if US would scramble F16s to intercept it or not... irregardless whether the jet is a deflect or with actual other intents.

This is pretty serious stuff. A foreign jet entering Chinese airspace without any acknowledgment by the military. When a Chinese J-6 defected to the Soviet Union it led to the firing of several senior officers in Siberia. I wonder if the same thing is going to happen now.

Since we are sure that this small plane is not a military UAV could a Mod please merge the relevant posts with the North Korean plane crash thread?

Originally Posted by rhino123

Take this incident and place it in the US and see what will happen. A foreign fighter jet intrude into the US airspace... and see if US would scramble F16s to intercept it or not... irregardless whether the jet is a deflect or with actual other intents.

Different situation i know but wasn't the USAF posted missing on 9/11 ?

Originally Posted by solarz

I guess the eject mechanism didn't work too well either...

Given the state of the North Korean Air Force I wouldn't be too surprised if he didn't even know how to use it, North Korean pilots only fly 15-25 hours a YEAR due to aviation fuel shortages, he probably ran out of fuel and then got into a bunch of technical problems.

As sorry as I am for the pilot dieing trying to defect from North Korea, I wonder how it was possible for a fighter aircraft to fly 250 km into China without being intercepted. The crashed aircraft as far as I know showed no signs on the aircraft of damage (other than from the crash itself and the general poor condition the aircraft was in the first place)

Originally Posted by rhino123

The standard procedure for most airforce around the world would be... if a foreign fighter jet entered your airspace would be to scramble one or two interceptors to intercept the fighter.

China did none of it... as seen from some of the news floating around the internet... there obviously is a witness that the small jet had crashed (note that there was no Chinese fighters or interceptors chasing it or escorting it).

This could show that either they are damn sure that

1) korean jet is going to crash,
2) They mistaken the korean jet as one of theirs (which is a massive blunder if that was the case),
3) the radar didn't trace or detected the fighter, or
4) The assessment was that this fighter is actually no threat at all... (which is also another blunder because irregardless of the threat level, it is an intrusion of a foreign jet illegally and so should be intercept!)

Take this incident and place it in the US and see what will happen. A foreign fighter jet intrude into the US airspace... and see if US would scramble F16s to intercept it or not... irregardless whether the jet is a deflect or with actual other intents.

a soviet mig-25 defected to japan in 1976. nothing was done too. it crash landed after it overshot a runway at an airport