New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

Judging from your reasoning the only choices are Russian and Chinese fighters. Since this forum is called sino-defence what plane do you think most people will recommend?

Why J-10 with Israelis avionics and radar?

FC-1.. You can buy up to 100 of them and I bet ToT is no problem..

2billion for 100 pieces.. Not bad huh.

Originally Posted by siegecrossbow

Judging from your reasoning the only choices are Russian and Chinese fighters. Since this forum is called sino-defence what plane do you think most people will recommend?

Why J-10 with Israelis avionics and radar?

In the contrary, if by the thread title "new interceptor" - I am not sure J-10 is up to the job. But by the comparison list, I guess the "interceptor" is a "job title" for Argentine AF, not a technical term.

Anyway, officially, there was no word that J-10 is out for export market yet.

Edit:

Yeah, I agree with Lion.

Originally Posted by Red___Sword

In the contrary, if by the thread title "new interceptor" - I am not sure J-10 is up to the job. But by the comparison list, I guess the "interceptor" is a "job title" for Argentine AF, not a technical term.

Anyway, officially, there was no word that J-10 is out for export market yet.

Edit:

Yeah, I agree with Lion.

J-10 is well suited for the interception role. What are you talking about?

I would agree that Chinese and Russian planes would be the only option right now. But I'm not sure whether Argentina has the money to buy more than a handful anyway. It may be that Argentina will just have to rely on the A-4s and, to be fair, does Argentina even need modern new fighters? I mean, where's the threat from?

Originally Posted by Mr T

I would agree that Chinese and Russian planes would be the only option right now. But I'm not sure whether Argentina has the money to buy more than a handful anyway. It may be that Argentina will just have to rely on the A-4s and, to be fair, does Argentina even need modern new fighters? I mean, where's the threat from?

Even if there is no threat currently, it doesn't mean a nation shouldn't keep a modern defence force. After all, buying equipments, getting those equipments delivered, and training on them takes a long long time. By the time a threat emerges, it would be too late if you are unprepared ahead of time.

Originally Posted by Mr T

I would agree that Chinese and Russian planes would be the only option right now. But I'm not sure whether Argentina has the money to buy more than a handful anyway. It may be that Argentina will just have to rely on the A-4s and, to be fair, does Argentina even need modern new fighters? I mean, where's the threat from?

A new squabble over the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) could occurr almost anytime. The Argentines have a lot of pride regarding that...despite their loss to the UK last time around. Particulary now that the UK is in a gap of no fixed wing carrier capability for several years.

In fact, in a joint communiqué issued by the Brazilian and Argentine governments in August 2010, "the President of the Federative Republic of Brazil reiterated the support of his country to the legitimate rights of Argentina in the sovereignty dispute regarding the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the surrounding maritime areas". So that issue is still there and could be acted on at anytime. Hopefully not...but the Agrentines have not relinquished or given up their claims and the Brazillians support them in it.

J-10 also has a "runway debris" problem, given its chin intake.

FC-1 would be my choice,

can shoot AshMs,
can shoot BVRAAMs,
can dogfight.

pretty much can replace all fast jet combat types in Argentina's inventory and wouldn't break the bank.

awesome.

Originally Posted by i.e.

J-10 also has a "runway debris" problem, given its chin intake.

FC-1 would be my choice,

can shoot AshMs,
can shoot BVRAAMs,
can dogfight.

pretty much can replace all fast jet combat types in Argentina's inventory and wouldn't break the bank.

awesome.

Argentina needs fighter to face the Eurofighters UK stationed in Falkland Islands. Its requirement is similar to Pakistan's to counter MMCA. FC-1 has no chance. An improved J-10 (with better engine) is possible.

Originally Posted by nosh

Argentina needs fighter to face the Eurofighters UK stationed in Falkland Islands. Its requirement is similar to Pakistan's to counter MMCA. FC-1 has no chance. An improved J-10 (with better engine) is possible.

one don't need to match the opposing figher 1 to 1 to effectively surppress them.

get something that can face Typhoons in a2a you need a bigger bank account.

J-10 with upgrade still need some help defeating phoons in a pure a2a scenario.

waves of FC-1 with riple fire SD-10s and awacs and jammers!

Originally Posted by nosh

Argentina needs fighter to face the Eurofighters UK stationed in Falkland Islands. Its requirement is similar to Pakistan's to counter MMCA. FC-1 has no chance. An improved J-10 (with better engine) is possible.

The UK keeps 4 Eurofighters stationed at the RAF Mount Pleasant Air Field (built after the War) in the Falkland Isands at all times. The Air Base also has a port facility and usually one Offshare Patrol Vessel (currently the P257 HMS Clyde) is stationed there permanently, and a Type 42 DDG is rotated in and out.

To counter that the Argentines have one Type 42 DDG of their own, and four, smaller MEKO 360H2 destroyers (really frigates IMHO), along with 6 Meko 140A16 Corvettes and three Drummon Corvettes and three fairly modern SSks, which would have to counter an almost certain UK SSN which would get there as quickly as possible. In addition, the Argentine Air Force consists of 6 Mirage 5's and 6 IA1 Finger (Mirage 5 derivative from Israel), along with 8 or 9 Mirage 3s to use as fighters. These may overwhelm the four Eurofighters...but the UK would send back a lot more and I do not think the currrent Argentine Air Force (unless they got help from Brazil) could not hold them off unless they procure quite a few more advanced fighters to hold the air when the counter attack came.

The Argentines would have to overwhelm the UK forces with their own and then, as I said, establish and maintain air dominance as the UK would surely respond with aircraft staging out of Ascension Island and Wideawake Airfield there with aerial refueling.

It may not seem likely, but earlier this year, Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina showed solidarity in not allowing the HMS Clyde to dock (Brazil refused her in Rio) on the mainland because of continuing disagreements over this issue and the UKs use of resource (particulalry oil) as a result of it.

I hope it does not happen, and do not believe the UK would back down...but with no carrier availability, if it is going to happen, it would probably take place some time before the new Queen Elizabeth comes on line.

Originally Posted by T-U-P

Even if there is no threat currently, it doesn't mean a nation shouldn't keep a modern defence force. After all, buying equipments, getting those equipments delivered, and training on them takes a long long time. By the time a threat emerges, it would be too late if you are unprepared ahead of time.

That's a very fair point, an argument I've made myself in the past - doh!

Originally Posted by nosh

Argentina needs fighter to face the Eurofighters UK stationed in Falkland Islands.

Assuming that Argentina wants to keep the right to launch an attack on the Falklands! Really I'd hope that, whether or they still hope for gaining the islands peacefully, they've moved on from the idea of trying to grab them by force. Not that I would want this to happen, but if it came to it sub-launched Tomohawks could cause misery for Argentina.

Originally Posted by Jeff Head

It may not seem likely, but earlier this year, Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina showed solidarity in not allowing the HMS Clyde to dock (Brazil refused her in Rio) on the mainland because of continuing disagreements over this issue and the UKs use of resource (particulalry oil) as a result of it.

South America could offer Argentina all the diplomatic support it wanted, but there's always Chile! And I think that after all the British personnel that have died in Afghanistan and Iraq the British people would expect the US to help out in some practical fashion.

If Brazil gets Rafales for instance, it may be worthwhile for Argentina to do the same to simplify support issues and allow for more thorough cross-training.

Originally Posted by montyp165

If Brazil gets Rafales for instance, it may be worthwhile for Argentina to do the same to simplify support issues and allow for more thorough cross-training.

Didn't Brazil find the Rafale too expensive or something? I hadn't been keeping up with the tender so I don't know the latest developments.