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    Iran's New Stealth Fighter

    There's been talk. Here it is.




    There's also a video of a test flight but it looks like RC.
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    Re: Iran's New Stealth Fighter

    Does this count as the first "reverse engineered J20"?

    But seriously, the first impression I had when I saw it was 'when are they going to attach the wings?'

    This thing has some interesting design features, like the 'w' shaped wings and having the intakes above the fuselage, but there are also some really questionable features, like that clumsy and heavy looking exhaust, the aforementioned tiny wings, the lack of natural blending between the main wing and semi-fixed canards to the fuselage, and that canopy looks like it might shatter if someone looked at it funny.

    The whole plane is also too small by far to be viable and I have serious reservations about how airworthy this thing is going to be, and even bigger doubts about how effective the stealth shaping has been designed.

    This looks far more like a plastic mock up than a real flying prototype imho.

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    Re: Iran's New Stealth Fighter

    Irans war is as much as a media war too

    So in that sense this is a job well done and respect for always trying to make things work
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    Re: Iran's New Stealth Fighter

    Quote Originally Posted by plawolf View Post
    This looks far more like a plastic mock up than a real flying prototype imho.
    BINGO! We have a winner on aisle nine! Those were almost exactly my own thoughts.


    I mean, look at the electrical chord in the one picture snaking away behind the picture of the Ayotollah. Oops. LOL! They're powering it with either 110 or 220 VAC for heaven's sake.

    Quote Originally Posted by Assasinsmace
    There's also a video of a test flight but it looks like RC.
    Ah, come on Mace...post a link to the video. We'd like to see it.
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    Re: Iran's New Stealth Fighter

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    BINGO! We have a winner on aisle nine! Those were almost exactly my own thoughts.


    I mean, look at the electrical chord in the one picture snaking away behind the picture of the Ayotollah. Oops. LOL! They're powering it with either 110 or 220 VAC for heaven's sake.

    Ah, come on Mace...post a link to the video. We'd like to see it.
    Well, I can't even see anything on this plane that would need any power, even the formation lights on the wingtips looks to be non-functional. Although to be fair, I think that chord is to power the stripper stage they have this thing mounted on. You can see from the two pictures that it actually spins around, and considering the power source, the lack of any sort of ramp to roll the plane on and off, and the flimsy feel of the stage as well as the fact that it spins around, I would have to say that this is more evidence that this is a mock up, as I am struggling to see such a flimsy stage being able to support ~10t of weight if this was a real prototype or picture how they would get the plane on and off that stage if it was real.

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    Re: Iran's New Stealth Fighter

    The Iranians still fly F-5s and J-7s right? Just visually, the small aircraft size, stubby wings, single engine, and small intakes make me think that they came up with a 'stealthy' airframe built around the engine of one of those old planes.

    I guess there's no way to tell if it's for real or not until there's clear video of one flying. Just as plawolf said, that one piece bubble canopy sure looks flimsy. The edges of the airframe that meet the canopy and the edges of the canopy itself look rather crude and overly clean. My bet would be it's a mockup.

    As to whether or by how much any of these planes (this thing, PAK-FA, J-20, J-31... even all the US stealth aircraft) are actually stealthy, like so many other things about weapons these days, I don't think we can really know unless we're at a radar station with one coming at us!
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    Until the plane take off from the ground, then I believe it.
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    Re: Iran's New Stealth Fighter

    Iran unveils its newest fighter jet
    The Associated Press
    Posted : Saturday Feb 2, 2013 11:41:29 EST
    TEHRAN, Iran — Iran unveiled on Saturday its newest combat jet, a domestically manufactured fighter-bomber that military officials claim can evade radar.

    President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in a ceremony broadcast on state TV that building the Qaher-313, or Dominant-313, shows Iran's will to "conquer scientific peaks."

    The Qaher is one of several aircraft designs rolled out by the Iranian military since 2007. Tehran has repeatedly claimed to have developed advanced military technologies in recent years but its claims cannot be independently verified because the country does not release technical details of its arsenals.

    The Islamic republic launched a self-sufficiency military program in the 1980s to compensate for a Western weapons embargo that banned export of military technology and equipment to Iran. Since 1992, Iran has produced its own tanks, armored personnel carriers, missiles, torpedoes, drones and fighter planes.

    "Qaher-313 is a fully indigenous aircraft designed and built by our aerospace experts. This is a radar-evading plane that can fly at low altitude, carry weapons, engage enemy aircrafts and land at short airstrips," Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi said.

    Some reports however suggest Iran's program relies on equipment supplied by major international defense contractors — incorporating parts made abroad or reverse-engineered technologies into its domestic designs.

    Still photos of the Qaher released by the official IRNA news agency and pictures on state TV show a single-seat jet. They described it as a fighter-bomber that can combat both other aircraft and ground targets.

    Iran's English-language state Press TV said Qaher was similar to the American-made F/A-18, an advanced fighter capable of dogfighting as well as penetrating enemy air defenses to strike ground targets.

    Physically, Press TV said, the aircraft resembles the F-5E/F Tiger II, a much older American design that Iran has had in its arsenal since it was supplied to the U.S.-allied regime of the Shah before Iran's 1979 revolution.

    "Development depends on our will. If we don't have a will, no one can take us there," Ahmadinejad told the inauguration ceremony in Tehran. "Once we imported cars and assembled them here. Now, we are at a point where we can design, build and get planes in the air."

    Iran unveiled what it said was its first domestically manufactured fighter jet, called Azarakhsh or Lightning, in 2007. In the same year, it claimed that Azarakhsh had reached industrial production stage.

    Saeqeh, or Thunder, was a follow-up aircraft derived from Azarakhsh. Iran unveiled its first squadron of Saeqeh fighter bombers in an air show in September 2010.
    If he Won't then I will..... * Cue Ominous Melodramatic musical score* BWHAHAHAHAHA!!! *Cough* *Cough* ah, It's not that funny.
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    Re: Iran's New Stealth Fighter

    Quote Originally Posted by TerraN_EmpirE View Post
    If he Won't then I will..... * Cue Ominous Melodramatic musical score* BWHAHAHAHAHA!!! *Cough* *Cough* ah, It's not that funny.

    HHAHAHA I have to give them mad props for making a pretty decent prop. Maybe they can sell it to Michael Bay for his next movie. The entire design doesn't even make any sense at all not to mention impractical as all get out.
    Even if someone were to actually built that and make it fly however improbable, it won't be of any military use because it is just too small to carry any meaningful weapons load. The nosecone is also way too small and short to carry any decent radar. With the small size there is no way to have any internal bay either unless you want it to carry a couple Zuni rockets only. I also don't see a HUD on the cockpit unless the Iranians have some perfected an exotic new generation of lifelike 3D holographic helmet mounted displays which replaces HUDs although the helmet worn in the video looks like it came out of the vietnam war era.
    The engine housing is also stupid. It is design to look like TVC except it isn't and is part of the airframe .. so why design it like that?
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    Re: Iran's New Stealth Fighter

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Head View Post

    Ah, come on Mace...post a link to the video. We'd like to see it.
    Well it was getting late for me plus I knew someone else would post it and Terran did it.
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    I wish that China had smuggle their sole J-31 prototype to Iran and let the Iranian's claim it as their own. When that plane takes to the sky the American's and Israeli's will go mad. Unless they know about the smuggle.
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    Look that's one piece canopy there which makes it superior than the J-31 already!

    What a joke of a mockup!

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    Re: Iran's New Stealth Fighter

    The petite size of the Qaher-313 (points to lack of internal stores or the utter absesne of it.); lack of HUD and/or HMD; no projection of payload, operation radius or any performance ratings; all points to a concept-vertification rig even if it flies.

    And more importantly, what kind of engine those Mullahs gonna use for the Qaher-313? They did showcased stuff like that "twin-tailed F-5" and their abilities to keep their F-14s operational, but nothing indicate they've made any effort in locally R&D and produce modern jet engines. If it's to "compete with the F-22" as the popaganda claims first they need engines that give them supercruise capability, with high thrust-to-weight ratio and fuel economy.

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    Re: Iran's New Stealth Fighter

    It doesn't look like a real fighter aircraft to me. The size is too small which I doubt if it can fly 300km.The "W" wing looks cool,but

    for a fighter,the point is not to make it looking cool instead making it effective for air combat.I can hardly see the intake,but the

    weaponbay seems to be large enough.My first impression is this could be a technical demo for the Irannians,but still has a long way

    to take off from the ground.
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    Re: Iran's New Stealth Fighter

    In the video, when they spin the plane and you get to look through the open canopy, you can see clear visual distortions caused by the low quality materials and manufacturing techniques used.

    Also, during the video, when the guy was giving the interview in front of the plane and it stops spinning just in time to stop the pitot tube poking him on the head, you can see the entire nose bobble about a little because of the sudden stop.

    There is no doubt in my mind that this is just a plastic mock up and that the plane seem flying is just a scale model.

    I'm done with this silly publicity stunt, I'll take this more seriously when they have a flying prototype, but I'm not holding my breath. I would not be surprised if the whole thing never goes that far because the more I see of this plane, the more flawed and unrealistic it seems.

    The entire airframe looks very draggy and the wing loading is going to be horrible. They are going to need an unbelievably powerful engine to make that thing have any sort of reasonable speed, and retro rockets to make it agile (maybe thats what the kinks in the wings are housing ). The intakes looks like they were designed to serve the same function as Luneburg lenses, and their positioning is going to mean very poor AoA characteristics, as anything remotely high will likely cut airflow to the engines altogether.

    The Iranians should have quit while they were ahead and only released the first picture of the face-on profile, as it looked respectable from that one angle. Sometimes less is more.

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