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DPRKPTboat · 04-24-2006

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Originally Posted by hellboy

Latest military parade held in 18th April you can see some pictures here (this parade only includes original army not guards corps who controls most of Iran ballistic missile force then you can't see most of Iranian ballistic missiles)

http://media.farsnews.com/imgrep.php?nn=8501290319

http://mehrnews.com/fa/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=313502
http://mehrnews.com/fa/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=313505
http://mehrnews.com/fa/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=313500
http://mehrnews.com/fa/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=313498
http://mehrnews.com/fa/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=313485

Nice pics!

Apparently there were no Shahab-3s or any other ballisitc missile on parade that time. Probably because the situation is already inflamed enough as it is. But they did show off their new subs, which are impressive, and their air force as well, but I didn't see any tanks. By the way, are those jets flying overhead MiG-29s or F-14s?

hellboy · 04-25-2006

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Apparently there were no Shahab-3s or any other ballisitc missile on parade that time. Probably because the situation is already inflamed enough as it is. But they did show off their new subs, which are impressive, and their air force as well, but I didn't see any tanks. By the way, are those jets flying overhead MiG-29s or F-14s?

As I told before this military parade held in the army day in 18th April. And only army units showed their weapons and troops. There is an other military parade in Iran that held in late September each year (in anniversary of beginning war with Iraq) and it consist all of military units. This is way you can't see most of Iranian ballistic missile in this parade (for seeing shahab-3 you should wait until September this year).
This year only 6 fighter aircraft was their and all Mig-29.

Indianfighter · 04-25-2006

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Originally Posted by DumLoco

Iran is not like Iraq...
Little is kwown to most people about that country's capabilities. One tends to think of a very backward, unworthy third world country when hears the name.
It has a relatively big economy (the paralel with Argentina that someone made is a good comparison), natural resources, it's quite industralized, good infrastructure, makes R&D in technology and weapons... Of Mr. Bush so called "Axis of evil" states it is by far the more competent one, i really doubt that it can be crushed in a matter of 4 weeks like happened to Iraq.

I agree with the above post. In my opinion, Iran's military capabilities are better than that of Pakistan, which relies mainly on China for its military hardware.

One can compare the Al-Khalid (Chinese upgrade of Type-90) to the relatively indigenous Zulfiqar.
No country helped Iran make the Azarakhsh whereas it is still unkown what was Pakistan's contribution to the Chinese-Mikoyan designed FC-1.

FreeAsia2000 · 04-25-2006

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Originally Posted by Indianfighter

I agree with the above post. In my opinion, Iran's military capabilities are better than that of Pakistan, which relies mainly on China for its military hardware.

One can compare the Al-Khalid (Chinese upgrade of Type-90) to the relatively indigenous Zulfiqar.
No country helped Iran make the Azarakhsh whereas it is still unkown what was Pakistan's contribution to the Chinese-Mikoyan designed FC-1.

Well most pakistani's would be happy to see Iran doing so well since Iran and Pakistan have had excellent relations for decades.

Iran has provided a lot of support to Pakistan in the past and hopefully they
will co-operate in the future. Remember Iran did suggest that they jointly
build a tank in the early 1970's unfortunately some crazy people i Pakistan
believed the tank was no longer relevant

a decision which didn't please
the shah.

Regarding the Azarakhsh

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The IAMI Azarakhsh (Persian: آذرخش, lightning) is Iran's first domestically manufactured combat aircraft. Iran was not previously known to have an aircraft production capability. In April 1997 Iranian Brigadier General Arasteh, a deputy head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces declared that Iran had successfully designed, constructed, and tested its first fighter aircraft. By late 1997 Iran had begun mass producing the aircraft. By mid-2000, four aircraft were said to be undergoing operational tests, with production proceeding at a rate of around ten aircraft per year.

A great deal of the aircraft is derived from the reverse engineered components of US fighter planes. Notable among these are the F-14 Tomcat, the F-5 Freedom Fighter, and the F-4 Phantom II. Numerous enhancements and upgrades were also built into the design from an early stage.

Iran has yet to release any additional information about the aircraft and its capabilities are unknown. It is believed to be essentially a reverse engineered F-5F, but larger by about 10%-15% and powered by two Tumansky RD-33 turbofans, as used on the Mikoyan MiG-29. The Azarakhsh is also said to use the MiG-29's N-019M Topaz radar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAMI_Azarakhsh

bd popeye · 04-25-2006

Hey FreeAsia,.. have you been able to find any actual photos of the plane? I do believe it to be real... But the only pic I found was of a F-5 Tiger II.

Any help would be appericated. Thanks.

hellboy · 04-25-2006

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Hey FreeAsia,.. have you been able to find any actual photos of the plane? I do believe it to be real... But the only pic I found was of a F-5 Tiger II. Any help would be appericated. Thanks.

First of all azarakhsh was nothing else but direct reversed engineered F-5E. But later modified version dual tail fin (and perhaps with large use of composite materials in stricture) with a name of saegeh displayed. It looks like a concept aircraft for testing new thing to me more than operational one. As I knew Iran working on completely new aircraft with name of saegeh 80 ( single engine with new fuselage that looks like some thing between Mig-29 and F-5 body)

http://www.leader.ir/media/album/original/3001_865.jpg

I hope admins don't kill me because of posting picture in this topic!

Gollevainen · 04-25-2006

No worryes, pics are allowed if they are refering to the topic and other parts of your anwser. If you post only pics, those should be made in the photoforum.

Anyway, is there any clearer version of the pic showing the entire plane? Or other pics refering to Irans fighter projects?

FreeAsia2000 · 04-26-2006

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Originally Posted by bd popeye

Hey FreeAsia,.. have you been able to find any actual photos of the plane? I do believe it to be real... But the only pic I found was of a F-5 Tiger II.

Any help would be appericated. Thanks.

I'm going to be free this weekend so i'll see what I can locate. It's
probably going to be in some Iranian language magazines or newspapers

I've seen some pics of it flying but i'm not sure how reliable they are

Gollevainen · 04-26-2006

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I've seen some pics of it flying but i'm not sure how reliable they are

Well if you can post them, fire at will and let us "experts" determ wheter they are anyway realistic...

hellboy · 04-26-2006

Here is the saeqeh (dual fin F-5) picture. Noticeable changes include dual fin, new air intake shape and modified nose.

bd popeye · 04-26-2006

Thanks Hellboy and FreeAsia. FreeAsia if you can find more pics to post please do so!

Looks like an F-5 with a dual tail. I would like to know mare about it's weapons suit and avionics

. Here are the stats I found at good old global security...

General characteristics
Crew: two
Length: 17.70 m (58 ft 1 in)
Wingspan: 9.20 m (30 ft 2 in)
Height: m (ft in)
Wing area: 21.9 m² (236 ft²)
Empty: 8,000 kg (17,600 lb)
Loaded:
Maximum takeoff: 18,000 kg (39,600)
Powerplant: 2x Tumansky RD-33, 81.6 kN (18,300 lbf) thrust each
[edit]
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 1.4
Range: 1,200 km (750 miles)

Anybody know about weapons????

FreeAsia2000 · 04-26-2006

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Originally Posted by hellboy

Here is the saeqeh (dual fin F-5) picture. Noticeable changes include dual fin, new air intake shape and modified nose.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...aeqeh-pic1.jpg

There's two versions of the sa'eqah.

The one in the picture and a new advanced version which hasn't been
shown as of yet.

The azarakhsh uses sidewinders and r-60 aphids

Incidentally you might be interested to hear that Iran has just produced the worlds' first mini-tank

More info when i get it...sorry it's spring and i'm busy with girls and work

bd popeye · 04-26-2006

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The azarakhsh uses sidewinders and r-60 aphids

Sidewinders?

Do the Iranians have newer versions? Or they still using old stockpiles? I don't think the US supplied the Iranians with weapons since 1979. If the have sidewinders they are very old or they purchased them from an allie.

hellboy · 04-26-2006

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Sidewinders? Do the Iranians have newer versions? Or they still using old stockpiles? I don't think the US supplied the Iranians with weapons since 1979. If the have sidewinders they are very old or they purchased them from an allie.

Last version of sidewinders that Iran still uses is AIM-9P and they don't get any newer version of it after 1979. But they have AA-8 and AA-11 Russian short range air to air missiles and also Chinese PL-7

Gollevainen · 04-26-2006

That info from Globalsecurity isen't from the aircraft in the picture. Noway are those engines Rd-33 or that plane 17,7 meters long. In fact the size of the globalsecuritys aircraft is somewhat equal to MiG-29 with smaller wings...

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