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jatt

As usual on the Internet you have to be careful of what you read expecially when its the Indian media. But i've come across a very accurate and insightfull article. Worth the read.

http://www.newkerala.com/news2.php?a...lnews&id=64365

Player 0

If this is true then it shows the weaknesses in the Indian economy, particularly the manufacturing sector

Finn McCool

Just wait a couple of years. India will rise militarily like China. Then Pakistan will get even closer to China to protect itself...

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jatt

Its not exactly a weakness if you can buy what you can't produce.

tphuang

just to make sure this doesn't turn into a India vs China thread, a slight warning here.

"In the case of the navy, the committee noted that in comparison to aircraft carriers like USS Nimitz, INS Viraat and Admiral Gorshkov that was due to join the fleet in 2008 "stand nowhere in terms of various features like dimension, displacement and aircraft carrying capacity"."
wow, India has some really high expectations.

jatt

Orginally the IDS was designed to hold 20 fixed wing aircraft and 20 heles. The rest is for troops, and amphibious assualt. What more could they change when the project is already launched? Catapult?

Indianfighter

May I request the moderators to unlock the threads of "Indian Air Force News" and "Indian Army and Navy News" so that all such news reports may directly be posted in those threads instead of starting a new thread altogether for only one news report. Members can ensure that the threads shall have only news articles and discussions relating to India's defence only and no discussions of China vs India. Members who violate the rules can be warned.
There are many suspisions regarding the Indian media of being in connivance with foreign defence firms.
The extremely high amount of criticism is alright and in fact healthy in a democratic nation and forces the DRDO and HAL to generate results, but when the criticism comes inspite of recent successes or when the results of government tenders or hardware tests are awaited, it is then that such fears arise.

Indian Army to acquire 'Nishant' by mid-2007
KOZHIKODE, MAY 23 (PTI)

The first fleet of indigenously-built Unmanned Aerial Vehicle `Nishant', specifically designed for any-time launch and recovery, would be delivered to the Army by mid-2007, Aeronautical Development Establishment Director G Elangovan said today.

ADE conducted its 106th flight trial early this morning and the multi-mission UAV's successful launch and recovery here was watched by officials of the Coast Guard, he said.

"The uniqueness of Nishant is that it has no wheel at the bottom and is ready for launch and recovery from any point", he told reporters here.

The entire article may be referenced by the following URL:
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=73
HAL to go into supersonic mode

Monday May 15 2006 00:00 IST Link

BANGALORE: Five years after the first indigenous developmental fighter took to the air after complaints of time and technology gaps, the defence PSU - Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) - has now decided to go into supersonic mode.

HAL chairman Ashok Baweja told this website's newspaper that the fifth prototype vehicle, trainer and the first of the eight Limited Series Production (LSP) will join the programme this year. These aircraft will help accelerate the initial operational clearance for the LCA.

On Saturday, PV2, among a cluster of four jets built, turned supersonic with air-to-air missiles on board. Scientists of the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) said it was a big leap forward in the project as the jet was now propelled into operational test light mode.

‘‘As for the LCA project, it is a war-room like situation at HAL. I am getting daily inputs from officers on the progress made in the project,’’ the HAL chief said.

HAL has now taken up the challenge to complete the eight LSPs and 20 more aircraft within three years. The IAF will induct these delta-winged world’s lightest fighter aircraft by 2010 to replace its ageing fleet of MiGs.

The PSU’s focus now is on stepping up the pressure on this strategically important project to ensure that there are no further delays. Three more aircraft, which will join the test flying envelope later this year, will increase the number of aircraft used for certification.

In all, four LCAs, two technology demonstrators and two prototypes had logged over 525 flights.

Not just HAL, but even the ADA has accelerated the programme to the next level by putting a radar on the aircraft and is taking up a weaponisation programme by fitting pylons on the PV2.

The entire article may be referenced from the following URL :
http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems...galore&Topic=0
It is known that the development of the Kaveri engine is on schedule according to a news report posted by jatt earlier. The high-altitude testing shall take place in June, 2006. Hence the above mentioned options may not be explored prematurely.

Army fabricates units for chemical warfare
Vijay Mohan
Tribune News Service

Jagraon, May 20

With nuclear, chemical and biological (NBC) warfare becoming an inherent part of military doctrine and training, the Army has introduced locally fabricated NBC decontamination units that can be set up right at the frontline.

“One such unit was developed in-house by our own engineers and troops just four months ago. Another was fabricated within a span of 20 days,” Brig Sanjeev Loomba, Brigadier-General Staff, 2 Corps, told The Tribune on the sidelines of Exercise Sanghe Shakti.

As part of the Cold Start doctrine which was validated, the capability to respond to an NBC attack was also tested during the exercise, though the focus was on the chemical element, officers said.

For developing these decontamination units, commercial equipment like motors, control mechanisms, sensors, pipes and nozzles were procured off-the shelf from various places and put together, the Brigadier said. These comprise overhead sprays as well as flexible hand-held nozzles attached to specially outfitted support vehicles.

These units can decontaminate an entire regiment of 45 tanks in about 90 to 120 minutes, The process is three-phase — pre wash, chemical wash and post wash with plain water. Fully mobile, these units can operate anywhere, the only raw material required being adequate water supply.

Though the number of such decontamination units in service is limited, the ultimate aim is to have such units down at the regiment level. At present, these are available at the level of armoured brigades and, officers said, these can also operate further down the echelon as and when required to do.

For the troops, new lighter NBC protection suits developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) have come in. Further, most of the decontamination agents now being used by the Army are indigenous, Brig Bakshi said.

Source:
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20060521/punjab1.htm

Gollevainen

well those mentioned old threads migth contain some trash that migth ignite again...so lets keep this india related news thread....No need to make new thread of each news you spot...

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maglomanic

I wouldnt give this report and the people involved in creating it too much credibility. IMHO IN and IA as well as IAF are doing pretty well. There might have been some setbacks on indignious projects but still they have gained some experience and with good project management in future they can rectify it. Arent these civillians by the way who made this report and who expect IN's air carriers to be of Nimitx class .Long time ago i read somewhere some civis were outraged that IA asked for anti aircraft guns to use aginst bunkers.

Indianfighter

Field trial of Arjun tanks in the next month or two: Army Chief

The Indian Army would conduct field trials of the indigenous main battle tank Arjun "in a month or two" along with the T-72 battle tanks, Chief of Indian Army Gen J J Singh said today.

The Army had placed order for 124 Arjun tanks and "we will find out during trials this summer where exactly we can exploit the capabilities of these tanks in the best manner and accordingly, we will use the tanks," he told reporters here.

He admitted that there had been delay in delivery and induction of Arjun but added "I believe when a country makes any state-of-the-art equipment, the production cycle takes a long time."

"But, we are going to try out these tanks and based on their performance, we will be able to decide how best we can exploit them," the Army chief said.

Asked how the Army rated Arjun in its class, he said, "as per the literature, it is supposed to be the state-of-the-art and compares very favourably with the equipment of similar class anywhere in the world." The Arjun tank, he said, had most of the advanced features in its gunnery, firing systems, fire control system, communication system and survivability in an NBC (Nuclear, Biological and chemical) environment.

Source:
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=73

Indian Army open to source equipment from US

Saturday, May 27th, 2006

{Posting only relevant parts of the article}

‘Though it is for the government decide on such issues, we project our requirements from the national security point of view. We are happy to receive equipment, which is in its best class from any source, including the US. But it will have to be a government decision,’ Singh told reporters on the after flagging off the newly manufactured bogie flat Arjun tank carrier wagons of military rail at the Bharat Earth Movers Ltd (BEML) facility here.

He said the army would begin field trials of the indigenous main battle tank (MBT) Arjun in a month or two along with its T-72 battle tanks.

‘We have already placed an order for 124 Arjun MBTs. We will be able to find out their performance from the field trials this summer and evaluate their capability in the best manner,’ Singh said.

The Avadi factory is scheduled to deliver 14 MBTs to the army next year (2007-08).

The entire article may be referenced from te following source:
http://indiaenews.com/2006-05/9358-i...-equipment.htm

Siddharth

Indian army has completely lost its faith in Arjun MBT. IA should have inducted few MBTs and then should have pointed out its defects so in the next batch they get rectified, as they did in the INSAS program and others.

delaying induction in the name of end-less trials shows they are just dragging their feet from the weapon system.

Sid

crazyinsane105

Anti-aircraft guns can be very useful against bunkers and buildings. Firing a thousand 30 mm rounds into a bunker would probably take less than a minute plus it's probably much cheaper than an airstrike or an artillery strike IMHO. Pakistani and Indian forces in Kashmir have always used AA guns for other purposes.

maglomanic

Yes thats exactly my point. The civilians who were supposed to allocate money for defence spending were appalled that why is army asking for Anti aircraft guns for use in Kashmire!!!! I was just pointing to the lack of knowledge and reality that this kind of 'commitees' display in their reports.

Siddharth

that is because of missing Joint chief of staff in indian forces. that also implies that indian forces do not have any say in indian defence planning.

for instance IRIDIUM (US) offered to provide satellite and mobile services in J&K which indian army anad airforce whole heartedly opposed because that would give insugents a edge in communication and they would become hard to track and intercept.

but to every ones shock Indian government announced mobile services in the vally the very next week.

Indianfighter

Troops in Kashmir master new weapon: cell phones

By Sheikh Mushtaq
Reuters
Sunday, May 21, 2006; 1:53 AM

SRINAGAR, India (Reuters) - Minutes after a bomb exploded recently in Kashmir and wounded Indian soldiers, a senior member of an Islamist rebel group called local newspaper offices to claim responsibility for the blast.

A few hours later, troops smashed the door of his hideout and arrested the militant "commander" after a brief gun battle.

Indian intelligence officers credited the bust in south Kashmir to the tracking of his mobile phone.

Until a few years ago, intelligence officials resisted attempts by the federal government to lift a ban on cell phone services in the region, fearing mobile phones would aid militants in planning attacks.

Now they know better and security officials say troops have eliminated many militants by tracking their mobile phones and tapping conservations, citing the example in south Kashmir.

"Such a quick strike operation was just impossible three years ago," a senior intelligence official told Reuters.

"We tracked the calls made from his mobile to local newspapers which led to his arrest and that of some other suspects."

India has been battling a 16-year Muslim separatist revolt in its part of Kashmir. Tens of thousands of people have died in shootings, bombings and other violence.

In 2003, New Delhi allowed mobile services, eight years after the rest of India, now the world's fastest-growing market for cellular services.

At that time, India said it was a move to win the hearts and minds of Kashmiris, weary and alienated after years of conflict in India's only Muslim-majority state which is also claimed by neighbor Pakistan.

After three years, there are now more than 850,000 mobile phone users in a state of 10 million people. And the spin-off for anti-insurgency operations has enthused security officials.

"So far, we have arrested or eliminated dozens of them (militants) including many senior commanders through mobile-tracking," the intelligence officer said.

Source:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...052100101.html