Best Trained Air Force Pilots

Originally Posted by Issa

To megalomaniac Americans, some information regarding the F-14:

US Navy Kill Record
Confirmed Kills ________ 6
Unconfirmed Kills ______ 1
Damage/Close Calls ___ 2
Forced Down _________ 1
Radar Lock-ons _______ 3
Fractricide ___________ 1


Iranian Air Force Kills Against The Iraqi Air Force
Confirmed Kills ________ 123
Unconfirmed Kills ______ 5
Shared Kill ___________ 1
Damage/Close Calls ___ 8


Iraqi Air Force Kill Claims Against The Iranian Air Force
Confirmed Kills ________ 3
Unconfirmed Kills ______ 9
Damage/Close Calls ___ 1

I hope this will make some of you think twice before making baseless remarks regarding our air force.

Wow, so the quality of the Iranian AF didn't go down after the revolution! But the Iranians also had the advantage technologically, most of the F-14s could fly, and they had plenty of BVR missiles including the Phoenix!

Without the heroes who sat in the cockpit, the F-14 would not have been as successful.

Originally Posted by Issa

Without the heroes who sat in the cockpit, the F-14 would not have been as successful.

True, very true. Where did you get those stats anyways?

ACIG.org

Originally Posted by Issa

ACIG.org

I just went on acig.org, and the Iraqis had plenty of air-air kills, but not as many as the Iranians.

Originally Posted by FriedRiceNSpice

Wow. Now you consider F-14s to be "ours."
But F-14s do suck, and why is Iran in the top 5? And why is Pakistan in the top 5? Both Pakistan and Iran have no place being in the top 5, let alone being #1.

Actually, if you look at the PAF air kills, they are extremely impressive. And the PAF school is just as rigorous as America's Top Gun program. As a matter of fact, the people at PDF last year were wondering if PLAAF pilots could take training from the PAF. Even though that would boost the skills of the PLAAF, it would have huge logistical constraints on the PAF (and also that the PAF doesn't operate China's latest aircraft, Su-30MKK's).

Originally Posted by crazyinsane105

Actually, if you look at the PAF air kills, they are extremely impressive. And the PAF school is just as rigorous as America's Top Gun program. As a matter of fact, the people at PDF last year were wondering if PLAAF pilots could take training from the PAF. Even though that would boost the skills of the PLAAF, it would have huge logistical constraints on the PAF (and also that the PAF doesn't operate China's latest aircraft, Su-30MKK's).

Thank you Crazyinsane! Pakistani pilots are some of the top in the world. It is so hard to make it to fighter conversion. My Dad was in the PAF academy and was like 25 or so spots off the fighter conversion cut. Only about 15 make it to fighter conversion, which is to an F-7, then if your good on the F-7, you get to move to the Mirage III, and if your one of the elite pilots in the PAF, you get to fly the F-16s!

My list, no order:
RCAF pilots
IDF
PAF
USAF
USN
RAF
FAF
Luftwaffe

PS: No more drifting off topic! No more feet kissing!

Originally Posted by sumdud

My list, no order:
RCAF pilots
IDF
PAF
USAF
USN
RAF
FAF
Luftwaffe

PS: No more drifting off topic! No more feet kissing!

Who's the RCAF?

I think its the Taiwanese AF.

Originally Posted by DPRKUnderground

Who's the RCAF?

royal canadian airforce? republic of china af?

brother of snake, side with taiwan??? i thought you loved america. taiwanese pilots arnt that well trained, and their planes are all foreign or heavily based on foreign planes.

Originally Posted by MIGleader

royal canadian airforce? republic of china af?

brother of snake, side with taiwan??? i thought you loved america. taiwanese pilots arnt that well trained, and their planes are all foreign or heavily based on foreign planes.

RCAF is the old name for the Canadian Air Force, before the fusion of the 3 arms (Land-Air-Sea) it was the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF), but now, after the unification of the 3 branchs in 1968, it become the Canadian Armed Forces - Air Command. But we, canadian, just called it CAF or Canadian Air Force

Originally Posted by MIGleader

brother of snake, side with taiwan??? i thought you loved america. taiwanese pilots arnt that well trained, and their planes are all foreign or heavily based on foreign planes.

When did I say I side with Taiwan?

DPRKUnderground asked what was the RCAF, so i responded.

Notes:

- 1. This list is provisional, nothing "definite"; in fact, I created it (almost) from the top of my mind; consequently, feel free - in fact, you're MOST WELLCOME - to discuss it down to the last detail: rip it apart if needed, but let us get it right!

- 2. Please, be so kind to - for the reasons of better understanding - MAKE CLEAR your corrections of single entries; bear in mind that when we make the final version of this list "somebody" will have to go through this thread and find together all the corrections.

- 3. What is missing in most cases on this list are additional details we agreed to add, namely those about the weapons used, and how many of claims are confirmed or not confirmed. My suggestion would also be to - in case of pilots killed in combat, or while still in military service - we to add such a remark too.

- 4. This list contains pilots known to have been considered "aces" in their own service: the list of pilots that were "almost" or "never became" aces will be readied at a later stage.

- 5. For those of you who are interested in getting more closely involved in this project: please, see around if you can find any pictures of pilots in questions. I guess it would be nice to be in position to illustrate this list with some photos of pilots and/or their planes (or artworks of these) once it would be uploaded to the website.




Giora Aven Israel, Mirage III / Nesher: 17

Yiftah Spector, Israel, Mirage III/F-4E: 15

Amir Nahumi, Israel, F-4E / F-16: 15

Israel Baharav, Israel, F-4E/Mirage III/Nesher: 14

Abraham Shalmon, Israel, Mirage III: 14

Asher Snir, Israel, Mirage III: 13.5

Oded Marom, Israel, Mirage III: 13 ½

Jalal Zandi, Iran, F-14A: 12 (3 not confirmed - one definitely - 2 by AIM-54A)

Ya’acov Richter, Israel, Mirage III: 11.5

Dror Harish, Israel, Mirage III: 11

Yehuda Korean, Israel, Mirage III: 10.5

Shlomo Levi, Israel, Nesher: 10

Aliyah Hoda, Iran, F-4E: 9

Nguyen Van Coc, Vietnam, MiG-21: 9 (four not confirmed)

Eitan Carmi, Israel, Mirage III: 9

Bassam Hamshu, Syria, MiG-21FL/MF: 8 (one possibly against helicopter on the ground/about to land or start)

Mohammad Ryyan, Iraq, MiG-21/MiG-25: 8 (four not confirmed)

Nguyen Hong Nhi, Vietnam, MiG-17/MiG-21: 8

Mai Van Cuong, Vietnam, MiG-17/MiG-21: 8

Pham Thanh Ngab, Vietnam, MiG-17/MiG-21: 8

Uri Gil, Israel, Mirage III/F-16: 8

Ilam Gonen, Israel, ?: 8

Shlomo Egozi, Israel, F-4E: 8

Menechem Einan, Israel, ?: 7.5

Nguyen Van Bay, Vietnam, MiG-17/MiG-21: 7

Dang Ngoc Ngu, Vietnam, MiG-17 / MiG-21: 7

Amos Amir, Israel, Mirage III: 7

Ran Ronen, Israel, ?: 7

Avner Nave, Israel, F-15: 7

Shahram Rostami, Iran, F-14A: 6

Luu Huy Chao, Vietnam, MiG-17/MiG-21: 6

Vu Ngoc Dinh, Vietnam MiG-17/MiG-21: 6

Le Hai, Vietnam, MiG-17/MiG-21: 6

Nguyen Nhat Chieu, Vietnam, MiG-17/MiG-21: 6

Le Thanh Dao, Vietnam, MiG-17/MiG-21: 6

Nguyen Dang Kinh, Vietnam, MiG-17/MiG-21: 6

Nguyen Tiem Sam, Vietnam, MiG-17/MiG-21: 6

Avihu Ben-Nun, Israel, F-4E: 6

Yoram Agmon, Israel, F-4E: 6

Ehud Hankin, Israel, F-4E: 6

Moshe Hertz, Israel, Mirage III: 6

Majid Zugbi, Syria, MiG-21: 6 (four not confirmed)

H.A., Iran, F-14A: 5 1/2 (1xAIM-54A)

A. Afshar, Iran, F-14A: 5 (1xAIM-54A)

A. T., Iran, F-14A: 5 (3xAIM-54A)

H. Sedghi, Iran, F-14A: 5 (2xAIM-54A)

Nguyen Van Nghia, Vietnam, MiG-17/MiG-21: 5

Nguyen Duc Soat, Vietnam, MiG-17/MiG-21: 5

Steve Ritchie, USA, F-4E: 5 (all 5 with AIM-7E)

Randy Cunningham, USA, F-4J: 5 (all 5 with AIM-9D)

Giora Rom, Israel, Mirage III: 5

Aviem Sela, Israel, F-4E, 5

Ali Wafai, Egypt, MiG-21: 5

Chaim Egozi, Israel, ?: 5

Ariel Cohen, Israel, Nesher: 5

Ezra Dotan Israel, Mirage III/A-4: 5

Ben-Ami Peri, Israel, F-4E: 5

Eitan Peled, Israel, F-4E: 5

Herzel Bodinger, Israel, Mirage III: 5

Itamar Noiner, Israel, ?: 5

Uri Aven-Nir, Israel, ?: 5

Yoram Peled, Israel, F-15: 5

Syed Saad Hatmi, Pakistan, F-86: 5

Vaghif Kurbanof, Azerbaijan, Su-25: 5 (all with 30mm guns, at least three are unconfirmed)

Adib el-Gar, Syria, MiG-21FL/MF: 4.5 (three not confirmed)

M. Khosrodad, Iran, F-14A: 4.5

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