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This is a discussion on Aircraft Carriers II within the World Armed Forces forums, part of the World Strategic Defence Area category; Planning for the future. or planing on deploying USMC Harriers or F-35Bs. ..plus it's good to have extra room on ...

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    Planning for the future. or planing on deploying USMC Harriers or F-35Bs...plus it's good to have extra room on a CV.

    Jeff.. I can't find any figures on the demensions of Essex & Midway class CV hangars. If you have them please post. thanks!
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    Jeff, if you can for Clemenceau also please.

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    USS Gerald R. Ford, CVN-78, to be Chrsitened and Launched November 9, 2013


    Quote Originally Posted by Newport News Shipbuilding
    On Saturday, November 9, 2013, Newport News Shipbuilding will christen the nation's newest aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78) during a ceremony on-site where the ship is being constructed. President Gerald R. Ford was the 38th President of the United States. His daughter, Susan Ford Bales, will serve as the ship's sponsor, performing the traditional honor of breaking a bottle of American sparkling wine across the ship's bow during the ceremony.

    Prior to the ceremony, the dry dock in which CVN 78 was structurally built will be flooded, preparing the ship for launch in the days following her christening. The christening ceremony will be held in front of the ship's bow.

    Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78) is the first of a new class of aircraft carriers, the first new design since USS Nimitz, which was launched in 1972. Redesigned from keel to mast, the ship will be able to launch aircraft more quickly while costing less to maintain, saving the Navy a projected $4 billion over the ship's 50-year lifespan.
    This is GREAT and exciting news. Another day long awaited and a very histroical day for the US Navy as a new class of carriers is launched and developed. If things go as planned, it will be another 40-50 years before another new class is launched and christened like this again.

    BTW, poepye and Forbin, I will do some research tonight and try to get those figures for you if I can.
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    what happened to my post? I don't think this site is 100% yet after the hacking event. Probably still has some bugs that need to be addressed.
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    Charles De Gaulle hangar size :

    4000 m2 : 138 x 29 x 6.1 m, 23 aircrafts, 2 helos.
    feet : 13123 : 452 x 95 x 20

    One question, SS-N-19 lauchers were removed on Liaoning and and this space was not used to enlarge the hangar ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORBIN View Post
    Charles De Gaulle hangar size :

    4000 m2 : 138 x 29 x 6.1 m, 23 aircrafts, 2 helos.
    feet : 13123 : 452 x 95 x 20

    One question, SS-N-19 lauchers were removed on Liaoning and and this space was not used to enlarge the hangar ?
    Thanks Forbin, that's outstanding.

    I added it to my earlier post and now have:

    Aircraft Carrier Hanger Sizes:

    US Navy USS Ford & Nimitz CVN
    685 ft long x 110 ft wide x 25 ft tall

    Russian Kuznetsov & Chinese Liaoning CV
    595 ft long x 96 ft wide x 25 ft tall

    Royal Navy HMS Queen Elizabeth CV
    550 ft long x 90 ft wide x 25 ft tall

    French Navy Charle de Gaulle CVN
    452 ft long x 95 ft wide x 20 ft tall

    Japanese JS Imuzo CVH
    550 ft long x 80ft wide x 22 ft tall

    US Navy USS America LHA
    425 ft long x 86 ft wide x 25 ft tall

    Royal Navy HMS Illustrious CVH
    475 ft long x 55 ft wide x 22 ft tall

    Japanese JS Hyuga CVH
    350 ft long x 60 ft wide x 22 ft tall

    US Navy USS Wasp LHD
    265 ft long x 76 ft wide x 22 ft tall
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    Well I tried earlier today to post these photos but the forum put up that 404 error message. I hope all is well now.

    Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78) will be christened & launched on NOV 9th, 2014. The ship should be in service by 2016..Some shots of the freshly painted hull.









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    All trials complete on Vikramaditya

    Including night air ops and weapons load out trials on the Mig-29K.




    Quote Originally Posted by Times of India
    NEW DELHI: After a long running saga of hard-nosed negotiations since the late-1990s, cost escalations, refit delays and mishaps, aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya has finally completed its extensive sea trials in Russia. The 44,570-tonne warship, or the refurbished Admiral Gorshkov, is now all set to be handed over to India in mid-November.

    Defence ministry sources on Tuesday said INS Vikramaditya has "now successfully" finished its series of "sustained full-power and aviation trials" in the White and Barents seas. "The carrier will now head back to the harbour at Severodvinsk. It will then be made ready for the commissioning on November 15. It will reach Indian shores, with an Indian crew commanded by Captain Suraj Berry, in early-2014," said a source.

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    So far all the landings and take offs from the Vikramaditya has been done by Russian test pilots now the Indian naval pilots will soon get there first chance to do that themselves. There is a Indian commodore who is certified for carrier ops from America. Are the Americans and Indians cooperating on carrier ops ?

    Indian Naval Pilots to start training on INS Vikramaditya soon

    According to reports coming out of Russia Media, Mig corporation is all set to start training Indian Mig-29k pilots for aircraft carrier operations onboard Ins Vikramaditya soon, Indian Mig-29k pilots who have been flying from Naval air base INS Hansa in India for past few years have been closely watching Naval Mig-29 operations on board INS Vikramaditya for past few months.

    Till now Russian MiG Corporation Test pilots Mikhail Belyaev, Sergei and Andrei Rybnikov Shishov have been carrying out all the required tests on INS Vikramaditya but also have been constantly interacting with Indian Mig-29k pilots on board the INS Vikramaditya giving them a chance to observe Takeoffs and landings from the deck of the ship, flight tests began on 5 August of this year.

    Commodore Surendra Ahuja who is overseeing flight operations on board INS Vikramaditya, was in 2007 became first Indian pilot who graduated in United States and was certified for aircraft carrier operations on T-45 Goshawk aircraft. He has already mastered flying the MiG-29k in India and will be among first group of pilots who will carry out operational landings and takeoff from the carrier soon.

    Mig-29k has been dubbed by Russian test pilots has “ Modern aircraft” compared to Su-33 operated by Russian navy over Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, Pilots commented that landing a Mig-29k on Ins Vikramaditya is much easier then Su-33 over Bigger Kuznetsov aircraft carrier . On November 15 Ins Virkamaditya will be handed over to Indian Navy formally in Russia.
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    Video of INS Vikaramditya sea trial and flight testing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Franklin View Post
    There is a Indian commodore who is certified for carrier ops from America. Are the Americans and Indians cooperating on carrier ops ?
    Clearly the US Navy is because the aircraft he was qualified on, the T-45 Goshawk is the official US Navy carrier training aircraft.


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    CGI of QE Class, looks totally stunning!! Those side towers with huge glass windows still are to be installed





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    The Pentagon's biggest, baddest - and costliest - piece of hardware ever
    By Maxim Lott
    Published September 27, 2013 | FoxNews.com
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    When the USS Gerald R. Ford is finally christened, the massive aircraft carrier will be the biggest and baddest piece of Pentagon hardware ever built - and, critics note, the most expensive.

    The 1,106-foot ship, under construction in Newport News, Va., has seen cost overruns push its expected price tag up some 22 percent to nearly $13 billion, with new technology dictating changes since work began in 2007. Expected to be christened on Nov. 9, the ship will be able to launch 220 air attacks per day, will hold more than 4,000 sailors and Marines, has a nuclear reactor to provide energy, and even comes with stealth features to reduce the ship’s radar profile.

    The Navy touts the ship, which will have runways to allow for simultaneous takeoffs and landings, as a landmark advance that “continues the aircraft carrier history of innovation and adaptability.”

    Huntington Ingalls Industries, the maker of the ship, told FoxNews.com that the overall shape of the carrier remains the same as in older models, but that what’s packed into the ship is very different.

    “The structure has been rearranged to accommodate new technology and meet all of the Navy’s operational requirements,” company spokeswoman Beci Brenton said.

    That includes “flight deck changes, improved weapons handling systems, and a redesigned smaller island, all resulting in 25 percent more flight missions.”

    The Navy also plans to buy another three such carriers, at a cost of $43 billion. One is slated to be called the USS John F. Kennedy and another The Enterprise, while the other one has not yet been named.

    National security experts at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the Brookings Institution, and CATO all told FoxNews.com that they are skeptical about whether the new features are worth the cost.

    “I’m not persuaded they’re worth twice what the old carriers cost,” Michael O’Hanlon, of Brookings, told FoxNews.com.

    The ship’s structure and exterior are now 100 percent complete, Brenton said. But internal connections and features inside the ship are still being added, and the ship will not be commissioned until 2016.

    Despite the impressive features, the carrier gets less-than-rave reviews from government watchdogs.

    “The Navy faces technical, design, and construction challenges to completing Gerald R. Ford that have led to significant cost increases,” the Government Accountability Office wrote in a September 2013 report.

    In addition to cost overruns, the GAO noted the ship is also several years behind schedule.

    “Additional [cost] increases could follow,” the report adds.

    The Navy has responded that “the cost, schedule and technical risks associated with delayed land based testing have been overstated in the GAO draft report” but did not respond to requests from FoxNews.com about details.

    Huntington Ingalls officials told FoxNews.com that the carrier will make some of its cost back due to “increased electrical power generation capacity allowing for future technologies, and a reduced workload for sailors, translating to a smaller crew and lower operating costs for the Navy. Reduced manning and maintenance will result in a savings of $4 billion over the 50-year life of the ship,” the company said in a statement.

    Even critis acknowledge the old fleet is getting too old for use, and that having operational carriers is critical.

    “For the kind of threats we face in Iran or most of the world, a carrier is still a decisive element,” Anthony Cordesman, who has served as a consultant for the State and Defense departments and who holds the Burke Chair in Strategy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told FoxNews.com.

    “What do we do whenever we have a crisis? We either send a carrier task force or we find ourselves sending ships that have to backed up with carriers,” Cordesman said.

    “If you had to do a count of the number of time carriers have deployed since 1975, it’s pretty damn impressive," he continued. "We aren’t using a land base for a lot of our sorties in Afghanistan, they’re being flown via Pakistan by a carrier. We need to be sure we can operate without being dependent on allies.”

    Others say carriers are not so essential.

    “We can get by with fewer carriers,” CATO's Benjamin Friedman told FoxNews.com. "Great gains in the accuracy of U.S. fighter-borne weapons – due to rapid gains in surveillance and precision targeting -- means that fewer carriers can do what used to take more.”

    He noted that carriers are relatively cost-effective because of their versatility.

    “Aircraft carriers still provide more bang for the buck than other military platform even at these excessive prices,” Friedman said.

    Others go still further.

    “No matter how hi-tech or how glamorous, a carrier is vulnerable to a well-placed missile," said David Henderson, an economist at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif. "Pfft -- Oops, there goes a $12 billion carrier.”

    He added that he wasn’t surprised at the price tag.

    “It should not be surprising," he said. "This is, after all, the government spending other people's money.”

    The author of this article can be reached at maxim.lott@foxnews.com or on Twitter at @maximlott.
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    Nice video of Vikramaditya and Mig-29Ks.




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    [QUOTE=Jeff Head;249037]Nice video of Vikramaditya and Mig-29Ks.

    Now just to be obnoxious, I should say, now that's the way you get er done! and to some extent the Russians are on this one, "finally", and it is looking good and as they spring these "commercials on the world" and make NO MISTAKE, these are slick commercials, and they do seem to show an up-tempo training operation, something the PLAN would be well advised to go after themselves, a little PR "never" hurts the flow of money, but, big BUT here. The PLAN is likely doing all these kool things today as well, so whats the hang-up, well, they are still waiting for the J-15 production to ramp up from the LRIP status, last cruise we understood that there were three J-15s aboard and flying air-ops, next time hopefully 4-6, note that everyone is tacking on a few weapons, that's a good that's a good thing, we are being reminded that that there are yet some operational concerns flying fixed wing aircraft off the ramp, and that is the weight factor as you launch off the ramp, it will be interesting to see the PLAN address the refueling issue, and I hope they will run a few slicks such as these to give us a sense of their forward motion? brat
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