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Does any one know what is the enlistment requirements for a Officer in the medical core.

adeptitus

I agree that the guy should have been let go, but it'd also set a precedent where anyone who didn't feel like being deployed could make some anti-US statements and get discharged. I'm afraid that there isn't a simple answer in this case.

vesicles

I don't see how a person who doesn't want to go can make any meaning contribution to the whole war effort. This is not a humongous world war where any available body counts. To me, if one doesn't want to go, it would be in the best interest of this one person and the country to let him go.

Mr T

I heard about this last night. Awful news, though hats off to Officer Kimberly Munley who stopped this guy. I hear that she'll be ok - I hope the other people wounded do so too.

But as adeptitus says, you can't have a functioning army if people get to drop out as soon as they have a problem with a conflict. You can resign when you have the opportunity, but you sign up for a tour of duty or other period. Otherwise you'd have people joining up for the college programmes and insurance benefits, then legging it as soon as trouble started brewing.

Plus it's not fair on those people who do stick around to fight. They might not agree 100% with everything that's going on, but they're willing to do their duty.

bd popeye

pla101prc sez...
Exactly.

Exactly. The military is not day care for adults who can't "hack it" as we use to say. The man knew the job was dangerous when he took it. Did he think he'd spend his whole career in a Army hospital stateside? He knew full well what was going on when he joined up.

Any military will have those that do not agree with policies, war, deployments or like their job. In case some of you did not know unlike the civilian world you just cannot quit because you don't like it or disagree with some aspect of your job.. The best thing for those persons to do is keep their opinions to themselves. Bide their time. Then when it's time for them to be discharged they can go their merry way.

I have no clue how it could have been accomplished but he should have been weeded out sometime ago. I heard a colleague(retired US Army Colonel) of his speaking last night on Tv and he's not been supportive of the war efforts at any time. I'm sure this officer was not the only person he talked to. Reports should have been made and action taken.

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Infra_Man99

People have the right to quit their jobs/contracts, and then suffer the consequences of being a quitter or reneging a contract.

If you join the ROTC for college benefits, afterwards you independently cancel your ROTC contract to avoid a war you fear or do not believe in, then you will suffer the legally binding punishments that you subscribed to. I don't know how things are done in Britain or any other nation, but in America, the ROTC isn't offered by the US military like Halloween candy to random visitors. It comes with many obligations for various contingencies, including single party violations.

In most situations, a volunteer military is MUCH better than a military based on conscription. No decent company wants an employee who does a lousy job, drags his feet on his assignments, has troubled relations with co-workers for whatever reason, and drags in other major productivity problems. He is a burden and not a contributor. It's almost as bad as being stuck in a bad marriage. Be a good soldier and soldier the pain? Only an idiot would agree with a bad relationship. Divorce and find a working relationship.

If a military can't find civilian support, then maybe the military shouldn't be fighting the war or needs to do a better job promoting its war. The US military is very powerful, but it is founded upon civilians. The US military whooped butt in WW1 and WW2 because it had good support from the people whether by volunteer service or by conscription, but the US military got mired in so many problems after WW2 because it engaged in controversial wars in Korea, Vietnam, and now the Middle East. If you want to live in a feudalistic state or a militaristic nation, then go for it. I prefer to live in a civilian-based nation like America.

The US military needs to get rid of idiots and leeches like the Fort Hood shooter(s). Don't draft people not mentally or physically fit for war, unless you want serious personnel problems such as criminal behavior or "grenading of superiors". If the US military needs more qualified personnel for a war, then it should convince more civilians to sacrifice their lives for the war.

List of shooters at Fort Hood: 1 shooter at personnel and medical processing, 1 shooter at theater, anymore?

crobato

The US Army couldn't, shouldn't use differences of political views as a reason to discharge people or prevent them from deployment. That's a bad precedent. When people sign up in the first place, they should know what they're getting into or they don't sign up at all. Its an oath, a pledge and a contract.

I guess that's what they originally thought that this guy was doing, but didn't realize that he was completely that screwed off the locker.

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Infra_Man99

Crobato: When people sign up in the first place, they should know what they're getting into or they don't sign up at all. Its an oath, a pledge and a contract.
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If only life was that simple. Working with people isn't simply a matter of signing papers. I wish life was that idyllic, but it's not.

Moving along, the story of one shooter according to this news article: KOB.com - Fort Hood suspect said his goodbyes before rampage.

I read there was possibly 2 or more shooters.

bd popeye

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pla101prc

but i still have to complain about the way this thing was reported though. media focused a lil bit too much on the fact that he's a muslim...that's like emphasizing that the DC sniper was black...

Mr T

At the time of the DC sniper attack, the US wasn't accused of waging war on "black" people and they weren't using suicide bombings to retaliate. It's natural that there'd be a concern this guy was turned by Al-Qaeda or was a sympathiser, even if that currently seems to be unlikely.

Infra_Man99

I read that the Muslim shooter was sympathetic to Muslims, Palestinians, and Iraqis in general. This claim comes from his family, friends, and coworkers. I never read any credible news that the Muslim shooter had anything to do with terrorists, and I never read any quality news claiming he had sympathy or ties with Al Queda. I also read that it's not 100% certain the Muslim shooter was the belligerent, or working alone. Maybe he was working with terrorists, or maybe he was another lone gunman going crazy, or maybe he was working with at least one other gunman.

I read that there was at least 2 shooters at two different locations. The facts are still unclear and unrevealed to the public. I wish the police had fast and accurate investigations.

Finn McCool

I get the sense that the man who did these shootings was not any sort of terrorist agent, had no contact with anyone in Al Qaeda or any other foreign terrorist organization, but he was inspired by the same sort of motivation; a sense that Muslims are being victimized and that the only thing to do about it is to seek martyrdom in combat with the "enemy".

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adeptitus

Out of some 1.4 million men and women who serve in the US military, approx. 3,700 are Muslim. If the military were to say to them, that if they thought current military action in Iraq was against their believes and they're free to leave if they wished, a reduction of all 3,700 people from 1.4 million is not going to make a huge difference.

BUT it'd set a precedent that the military would find unacceptable in the future. War is ugly and requires you to send your young men to their deaths against their wishes.

Obi Wan Russell

My condolences to the families and loved ones of the victims. I fear there are no easy solutions to this 'enemy within' situation. I hope there are no knee-jerk reactions from either the US authorities or US citizens.

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