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Old 11-15-2008   #1
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Question PLA Forces to Afghanistan???

UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown seems to think so. True or not? Or just speculation? The article is more about other nations sending more troops ..but never the less the question remains..will the PRC actually deploy the PLA to fight in Afghanistan??

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Brown: Chinese may join Afghan mission
Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:49:18 GMT

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has announced the possibility of Chinese forces joining the multinational coalition in Afghanistan.

Brown told New York's Council on Foreign Relations on Friday of China's possible plans for deploying troops to the war-torn country, amid the worst fighting with insurgents since the US-led coalition invaded the country in 2001.

The premier said he expected more nations not currently involved in fighting to join the Afghan mission, comprised of 41 nations.

All nations should “see this as the front line” in the battle against terrorism, Brown added.

The NATO has called for additional forces, a demand supported by US President-elect Barack Obama, who said he would switch the focus from Iraq to Afghanistan through a phased withdrawal.

In talks with Afghan President Hamid Karzai that same day, the British leader said Britain was considering sending another 2000 troops to join its 8,000-strong presence in Afghanistan, based mainly in the troubled southern province of Helmand.

Earlier that week he said he would support Obama's call for more European troops, if other countries would also 'share the burden.'

His comment however came after the head of British armed forces on Monday said that he believed the rest of the burden should be left to other nations as the island is already too involved, with the second-largest force there after the United States.

The Chief of the Defense Staff, Air Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup strongly objected to plans to deploy the remaining 4,100 British troops serving in Iraq to Afghanistan.

British Foreign Secretary David Miliband had also signaled support for Stirrup's position in a separate BBC television interview.

"Yes, there should be burden sharing, but we're bearing a significant part of the burden already," Milband said. "We don't want to bear and unfair share of the burden."

"I am a little nervous when people use the word 'surge' as if this were some sort of panacea," he said, while confirming that more military force was required in Afghanistan, but not from Britain.
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China has got a number of workers involved in contracts for the Afghan government that were killed by the Taliban already.

China considers Taliban an enemy. Taliban supports Muslim separatist movements in Xinjiang. China also has its interests in Pakistan which the Taliban and Islamic fundamentalists threaten. If NATO fails to clean up Afghanistan, the problem spreads to China's court. Considering that Afghanistan is just border to China, China has a lot more reason to be in there, than lets say the US or NATO. Also think about future pipelines running from Central Asian republics to China. China sure needs this region to be stable.
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Who will lead the force?
Currently most of the multinational forces in the country is under the US-British command?
I would rather have a UN mandatory for this, maybe involve the Shanghai Cooperation Org.
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Re: PLA Forces to Afghanistan???

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Who will lead the force?

Currently most of the multinational forces in the country is under the US-British command?

I would rather have a UN mandatory for this, maybe involve the Shanghai Cooperation Org.
UN? They are a toothless tiger. They will not send in troops that may be involved in any actual combat. Most every time UN troops face fire..they retreat. Witness the Congo, Chad & Lebanon..
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China has got a number of workers involved in contracts for the Afghan government that were killed by the Taliban already.

China considers Taliban an enemy. Taliban supports Muslim separatist movements in Xinjiang. China also has its interests in Pakistan which the Taliban and Islamic fundamentalists threaten. If NATO fails to clean up Afghanistan, the problem spreads to China's court. Considering that Afghanistan is just border to China, China has a lot more reason to be in there, than lets say the US or NATO. Also think about future pipelines running from Central Asian republics to China. China sure needs this region to be stable.
During the recent outbreaks of violence in Xinjiang, prior to the OLympics, I read in various publications eg 'atimes'.(reprinting comments made on El Jazerra) a call on the UIghurs for cessation of violence against the Chinese by Al-Qaeda. They felt that there wasn't any substantial grievance and that the Chinese were in the main, considerate towards their brother muslims..
If these reports are correct and for the fact that Al Qaeda has a presence in Afghanistan, a Chinese military involvement would certainly invoke a change of stance, by Al-Qaeda.I think the Chinese should be very wary about putting troops on the ground.
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Who will lead the force?
Currently most of the multinational forces in the country is under the US-British command?
I would rather have a UN mandatory for this, maybe involve the Shanghai Cooperation Org.
NATO... the current mission is a NATO mission under a UN mandate.
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Re: PLA Forces to Afghanistan???

I'm not sure if NATO would be willing to integrate the PLA into its command structure. Many NATO members still somehow regard China as a possible future adversary.

Some kind of high-level coordination is possible though, so there is a place for China there.
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I'm not sure if NATO would be willing to integrate the PLA into its command structure.
It doesn't have to. The US troops are operating independently of ISAF, so China could be in the same position.
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Re: PLA Forces to Afghanistan???

I cannot see China agreeing to deploy independantly, which means that it would want to deploy as part of an SCO mission. It would be pointless for the SCO to deploy on the same ground as NATO and therefore, it would appear that Mr Brown is articulating a European desire to withdraw from the country.

That being said the SCO is the one organisation that could stabilise the country as there is shared ethnicities between Afghan citizens and the surrounding nations, nearly all of whom are full or candidate members. the SCO is also better structured as a Security and Development organisation to do the job as it possesses the diplomatic, civil and military capacity necessary to complete the task.
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Can anyone realistically see members the SCO being drawn into the Afghanistan situation, to replace the Nato forces who started the situation anyway.Not the Russians for sure as they have already been humiliated there."Once bitten twice shy" as the going says.Despite their concern for the Taliban. the SCO main purpose is to counter balance the American presence.
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You are going to have to explain that comment. Thank you!
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You are going to have to explain that comment. Thank you!
From memory, and correct me if I'm wrong the United nations sanctioned a American led Nato involvement in Afghanistan in response to Al Qaeda's attack on the World Trade Centre. As abhorrent a regime the Taliban may be,ones 'beef' was with Al Qaeda not the Taliban, as they had nothing to do with WTC attack so I consider an invasion of their country a over reaction, to appease the citizenry's desire for revenge perhaps? Considering the US is not above using covert operations to attack and train terrorist/ freedom fighters? to undermine the governments of countries they don't like, its got to expect 'tit for tat'.(Cant go down this line 2 far without becoming political )
As far as Im concerned any country that got suckered into supporting US on this issue, are stuck in a situation of their own making and they can sort it out themselves. It is better for the SCO to stay right out of it, rather than being given, in sporting parlance 'a hospital pass'.
I would have rather seen the US to bide its time, sorted out exactly where the Al Qaeda were hiding en mass and let them have it with a few daisy cutters and such like.

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Re: PLA Forces to Afghanistan???

I would very much like to see the PLA deploy to Afghanistan and assist the US and NATO nations there. That would be excellent. It would majorly contribute to the reduction of adversarial feelings between the US and China, and bring the two nations much closer to strategic partnership. I think that China is nearly alone among the community of nations right now in having the strategic footing to take on a voluntary military mission like that.
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As long as the proper rules are set out, and effective lines of communication are setup between the two forces, I do not see a reason why China can't participate in Afghanistan if they choose to.
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I would very much like to see the PLA deploy to Afghanistan and assist the US and NATO nations there. That would be excellent. It would majorly contribute to the reduction of adversarial feelings between the US and China, and bring the two nations much closer to strategic partnership. I think that China is nearly alone among the community of nations right now in having the strategic footing to take on a voluntary military mission like that.
Im of the opinion that they shouldnt have been in Afghanistan in the first place.
Did england turn around and invade or bomb the living bejezzers out of Ireland because some IRA were carrying out terrorist activities in London?
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