Long Term Defense Issue in the Future

For what I know, in Chinese countryside there are a lot of unregistred children. For the state they don't exist, even if they regularly attend school.

Many countryside family, have more than one child, this is pretty common in China, and since they could not afford to pay the saction money, they just don't declare it to the state. Local goverments usually close one eye on the issue and allow these children to attend school like everyone else.

But recently, chinese goverment allowed citizen to have up to 2 children, so in the future, the trend maybe change.

Actually I kind of support the chinese government to a certain degree. We don't want any population explosion... no use of having too many citizens that we couldn't feed and educate in any meaningful way. But I do support the two children at most and not the one child policy.

China's populations will peak at around 2035 or something like that. but right now the policy is that if couples that are born after 1980 inclusive, and both of which are only child in the family, will be allowed to have two kids. the thing with urban area is that ppl will end up having just one kid anyways or even no kid. that's why Europe and Japan are having the problem they do...so as you can see the biggest threat to any country's national security is an educated populations LOL.
but i think the country that are feeling it the most is the US. they have a lot of hispanic immigrants flooding into the country every year and they are the fastest expanding population. the other americans arent very happy with this as you can imagine due to the perceived lower-than-average overall productivity

The Beijing government can easily turn it on or off. It's not like the paranoid worst case sceanario the West dreams up where they make it like it's spiraling out of control. Yeah also China is not the police state Westerners portray. Beijing can't keep track of everything and people boldly flaunt the law when they can. If it were the police state they say it is then there wouldn't be this huge underground economy Beijing can't track and tax. Why are there so many billionaires that eventually get arrested when they can no longer hide the billions that go unchecked by the government. People wouldn't be throwing it in the face of the law on such matters if it weren't so easy to break it.

Originally Posted by rhino123

Actually I kind of support the chinese government to a certain degree. We don't want any population explosion... no use of having too many citizens that we couldn't feed and educate in any meaningful way. But I do support the two children at most and not the one child policy.

strict hardcore population control is the only way and the best way. i study in canadian university and all i hear day in and day out is how you can achieve population control through better education and how China's policy is inhumane. and virtually every textbook will make reference to this place called karala to prove how override (which is the technical term for China's approach) is not necessary. in the end they produce a bunch of liberal zombies raising unrealistic demand about other countries but never tried to think from their perspective. and they tell me that China's brainwashing is bad LOL (though i cant comment on that because i dont know what education is like in China). but overall Canadian universities are still pretty good, at least there is room for you to make objections, in high school they put the stuff on the quiz and phrase it like "why is override (actually this term wont be taught in high schools) not a good idea"...its all these arbitrary mindstuffing that makes students unable to think critically, and the scary thing is that they think the Chinese are the ones not thinking critically

Can any one answer these questions? In china are couples allowed to adopt more than one child? Does one adoption count towards the one child?

Did the chines central government consult any one in their country on how to lower the birth rate during the mid nineteen seventy's?

Originally Posted by pla101prc

strict hardcore population control is the only way and the best way. i study in canadian university and all i hear day in and day out is how you can achieve population control through better education and how China's policy is inhumane. and virtually every textbook will make reference to this place called karala to prove how override (which is the technical term for China's approach) is not necessary. in the end they produce a bunch of liberal zombies raising unrealistic demand about other countries but never tried to think from their perspective. and they tell me that China's brainwashing is bad LOL (though i cant comment on that because i dont know what education is like in China). but overall Canadian universities are still pretty good, at least there is room for you to make objections, in high school they put the stuff on the quiz and phrase it like "why is override (actually this term wont be taught in high schools) not a good idea"...its all these arbitrary mindstuffing that makes students unable to think critically, and the scary thing is that they think the Chinese are the ones not thinking critically

After being through schools in both China (9 years of grade school) and the States (11 years, including high school, college and graduate school), I would have to say that both nations brainwash their kids. Just in different ways. In China, we had to memorize how good a socialist system was. And in the U.S., we were tested on how good democracy is..... We know there are weaknesses in both systems, but both nations literally branwash their youngs to believe that they have the perfect system. One example, in high school, we learned why Texas declared independence from Mexico... in the name of freedom and democracy. Later, I learned it was to preserve slavery.

I personally think the U.S. is going a little to the extreme too. Last week, one of my colleagues got a call from his son's school because his 4-year-old son kept playing Spiderman, which, according to the school, was perceived as an act of violence. And he was sent home for that! I mean, COME ON!

Originally Posted by cmb=1968

Did the chines central government consult any one in their country on how to lower the birth rate during the mid nineteen seventy's?

Most ideas came from Ma Yinchu's New population theory which was published in 1957, if the government had listened to him and implemented population planning back then, none of these population problems would exist today.

Originally Posted by King_Comm

Most ideas came from Ma Yinchu's New population theory which was published in 1957, if the government had listened to him and implemented population planning back then, none of these population problems would exist today.

i think what cmb meant was that if the policy was not implemented by a democratically elected government then should it be considered legitimate. the thing is if the Chinese government asked for the people's opinion then this policy would not exist.

Originally Posted by cmb=1968

Can any one answer these questions? In china are couples allowed to adopt more than one child? Does one adoption count towards the one child?

Did the chines central government consult any one in their country on how to lower the birth rate during the mid nineteen seventy's?

For what I know, the policy has been recently corrected. The one child policy is now became two child policy.

Originally Posted by cloyce

For what I know, the policy has been recently corrected. The one child policy is now became two child policy.

It's always been allowed to have more than one child depending on the region, or for ethnic minorities. But I also agree that it should be universally raised to a two child policy. It would also help alleviate "Little Emperor Syndrome" where the only child is spoiled and doesn't learn how to share. A sibling is a great thing to have for many reasons.

Originally Posted by pla101prc

i think what cmb meant was that if the policy was not implemented by a democratically elected government then should it be considered legitimate. the thing is if the Chinese government asked for the people's opinion then this policy would not exist.

And if this policy does not exist, the problem of overpopulation would be even worse in China. What most westerners don't realise is that a political system that is suitable for all societies under all circumstances does not exist, the western style parliamentary democracy very specific to the socio-economic milieux of industrialised western societies, forcefully applying it to third world countries can have disastrous consequences.

If I am not mistaken the two child policy is only applicable if your first born was a girl.

If given that your first born was a boy, I think you should stick with one child policy..

Am I correct?

Originally Posted by Delbert

If I am not mistaken the two child policy is only applicable if your first born was a girl.

If given that your first born was a boy, I think you should stick with one child policy..

Am I correct?

I think this only applies in the country side (the rational is you need male to do all the heavy farming in the family). In the city, you stick to the one-child policy no matter what the sex of your first-born is. And the exception is if you belong to a minority group, you can have more than one child even in the city. And this will not be affected by the sex of the first-born.