This is a discussion on Chinese Military & Defense News Thread within the Strategic Defense forums, part of the China Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by blacklist There is no geo-political reason for China to cut all bilateral trade to Israel either, Pakistan ...
If you want to make questions like that then ask I would make the same remark in regards to Israel. Its surrounded by hostile states, and neutral powers like Egypt are increasingly becoming radicalized, it needs as many allies as possible.
China doesn't need Israel as an ally nor should it when its a liability being embroiled into the Middle Eastern conflict. China is the only nation to have fairly good relations with Shi'ite powers like Iran & Sunni states like Saudi Arabia, in addition to Israel. Stray to close to one and she may lose favor with others...as in George Washington, "Beware of entangling alliances".
Last edited by In4ser; 01-09-2013 at 03:04 AM.
Israel surely help China a lot during arm embargo after tiananmen protest in 1989.Israel and China began extensive military cooperation as early as the 1980s, even though no formal diplomatic relations existed. Some estimate that Israel sold arms worth USD 4 billion to China in this period. China has looked to Israel for the arms and technology it wants but cannot acquire from both the United States and Russia. Israel has now become China's second-largest supplier of arms (following Russia). China has purchased a wide array of military equipment and technology, including communications satellites. The building of military cooperation and trade has softened China's historic anti-Israeli policy over Palestine and Middle East issues. China has become a vital market for Israel's extensive military industries and arms manufacturers. Israel has also limited its cooperation with the Republic of China (Taiwan) in order to foster closer ties with the People's Republic of China.
China also surrounded by some hostile neighbour which are allied to Israel.
China need to reassure stability in middle east as China get their oil from there.
so it's obvious that China need Israel as much as Israel need China, what i dont understand from you question is : how do you assume that Pakistan will get angry if China form alliance with Israel ? or how many moslem are actually in China ?
Last edited by blacklist; 01-09-2013 at 11:17 AM.
Besides Israel offers stability in the Middle East? Isn't the Israeli-Palestinian question a source of instability in the region? China doesn't transport oil or acquire oil from Israel. Suppliers like Iran and Saudi Arabia can be trusted to protect Chinese trade with, unless you're suggesting Israel is actively blockade or attack Chinese merchants and resources.
Pakistan as in its government and majority of its people may not care, but a radical few may. It already has a lot of problems with foreign fighters and terrorists and the last thing China wants is a reason to antagonize them, better they focus their hate on US on Israel. China deals a lot with large Muslim populations not only in the Middle East, but in Africa as well. It's just more trouble worth versus the trade off in benefits with Israel.
Last edited by In4ser; 01-09-2013 at 02:21 PM.
radical and terrorist will always cause trouble to China whether China allied to Israel or not...Pakistan as in its government and majority of its people may not care, but a radical few may.
in fact radical and terrorist always cause trouble...
Israeli-Palestinian is the cause of most instability and allying with both party is the best way to reduce tension into peaceful dialog.Besides Israel offers stability in the Middle East? Isn't the Israeli-Palestinian question a source of instability in the region?
this is another yet irrelevant and nonexistent problem.China deals a lot with large Muslim populations not only in the Middle East, but in Africa as well. It's just more trouble worth versus the trade off in benefits with Israel.
nice story bro, because you just said yourself "Pakistan as in its government and majority of its people may not care", now you want to bring up Africa ?
the fact is that both party refuse to compromise as it is now, and China can bring new hope for peace.
btw this is about politic, should the moderator moderate this ?
Issues are interconnected, specially in this day and age just because Africa and Asia are not immediate neighbors doesn't mean there is a connection. Just because terrorist will trouble China regardless, doesn't mean drawing additional attention like kicking a hornet's nest will not exacerbate relations. Fact of the matter is China is not interested in playing mediator, its just too much responsibility...its more than happy to have US take that role, spending its money, blood and sweat on peacekeeping the region. Otherwise it will take concrete steps to position itself as such.
Back in 1962 China asked Pakistan to open a second front in Kashmir during the Sino-Indo war
But our silly leaders were too busy having tea in Washington and just 3 years later in 1965 we had to go it alone
However China still offered the hand of friendship and sent F6 fighters to Pakistan as a gift in 1965 one of which it in Lahore Museum, this started the long and deep friendship that Sino-Pak have enjoyed and in every war since China has supported Pakistan
We have a time trusted friendship and a all weather relationship based on mutual trust and understanding and the Pakistan people will not forget
What China does who it does business with is none of Pakistans business
And above all Jordan and Egypt both have a peace deal with Israel and trade water and gas to supply Israel, Turkey is close to Israel and is one of Pakistans biggest allies so why point finger at China doing business with Israel?? This is just none sense and requires no further discussion
If neighbouring Muslim country's have relationship with Israel there leaves no scope for China discussion
With David Axe's writing stories about how inferior the Chinese are and this story here, Wired should rename the "Danger Room" to "Where scared little children go hide under the bed" room.
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Love how they don't bother with any speculation. They noticed and just mention it. It up to the readers to do all the work for them. What happened to investigative reporting? And they think they're journalists.
What do you think of this?
acording to it, russia sold 2,1 billion dolares of weapons to china in 2012. Oficially confirmed only 1,3 billion dolares. What are the other 800 million for ?? something that we still dont know ?
It also said that there was an agreement for joint weapon development and prodution. Totally new to me. Does anyone knows something about it ??
S-400? Su-35? Lada?
They probably cost a couple billion or so you think? Probably just more hot air, I'll believe it when I see it.