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    I'm sick of opening new threads each time there's news about PLA...

    China staging high-tech joint military exercises
    AFP , BEIJING
    Saturday, Mar 04, 2006,Page 1

    China is this week staging military exercises, Chinese state press said yesterday, coinciding with a spike in tensions with Taiwan and the start of the nation's annual parliamentary session.

    The joint air force, army and navy exercises began on Wednesday and are aimed at simulating modern battle conditions using advanced information technology, the China Daily reported, without saying when they would end.

    The People's Liberation Army Daily newspaper said the exercises were being carried out in the Shenyang, Guangzhou, Beijing and Chengdu military command regions, simulating the deployment of troops hundreds of kilometers away.

    Photos posted on official government Web sites showed navy transport ships carrying tanks and armored personnel carriers, with the vehicles disembarking from the ships onto beaches.

    The exercises began just after President Chen Shui-bian's (陳水扁) move to cease the function of the National Unification Council (NUC) and guidelines on Tuesday, a move that Beijing said would endanger peace in the Taiwan Strait and the Asia Pacific region.

    Beijing has insisted that formal Taiwan independence would mean war and has strongly warned Chen from moving in that direction.

    The state press did not link the exercises to the heightened cross-strait tensions but Joseph Cheng (鄭宇碩), a noted China watcher at the City University of Hong Kong, said they were meant to be a low-key signal to Taiwan.

    "Certainly this is an attempt to put pressure on Chen," Cheng said.

    "Military exercises are probably seen as an appropriate warning at this stage," he added.
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    Same as Russian one? Or direct message to Chen?

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    China's military budget jumps 14%
    China has said it will increase its military spending by 14.7% this year to 283.8bn yuan ($35.3bn; £20bn).
    However, a spokesman for the Chinese parliament said much of the rise would be to cover fuel and salaries and that China was a "peace-loving nation".

    Jiang Enzhu said the US spent a greater proportion of its economy on defence and that China had "no intention of vigorously developing armaments".

    The US has several times accused China of understating its military budget.

    Neighbours' concerns

    China's armed forces are the biggest in the world and have seen double-digit increases in military spending since the early 1990s.

    The increases have caused concern for neighbours Japan and Taiwan.

    The US has also expressed fears over the spending on the 2.5m-strong military.

    Washington has several times accused China of understating its military budget.

    It said last year's spend was not the $30bn stated but closer to $90bn.

    China insists its spending is in line with rises in other governments.

    Mr Jiang said: "China's defence budget has risen in recent years along with the development of its economy.

    "But the proportion of the budget given over to defence spending is much the same as in past years."

    China also says its military spending is dwarfed by the US. The US department of defence had a base budget of $400bn in 2005.

    Mr Jiang said China's increases would go on salaries, new equipment, training and higher fuel costs.

    He added: "I wish to emphasise that China is a peace-loving nation. China is committed to a path of peaceful development."
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    Anyone want to guess what the real figure is? $40 billion? $50 billion? If SIPRI's 2004 figures are correct, it would be around $45 billion. So perhaps China's spending has now overtaken that of Japan's.....

    I find it interesting that the budget is now increasing faster that the economy is growing. Is this in relations to the Taiwanese NUC, or was it always going to happen? And will such growth be natural from now on, or will it drop down next year?
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    Actually, the budget had been increasing (slightly) faster than the GDP for a few years now. Last year, for example, was 12%. They have seen great rise in wages and pensions and logistical equipment, however, so it is perhaps justifiable to say that most of increase goes to personnel and other non directly military applications. Without a detailed breakdown of the spending it is hard to say.

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    RAND study also put last year's budget at around 40 something billion. So a true 45-50 billion budget for 2006 seems right. Imagine if every program gets a 14% increase.... how many more j10s per year would that make?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troika
    Actually, the budget had been increasing (slightly) faster than the GDP for a few years now. Last year, for example, was 12%.
    Yes, I remember now - I had a look at the previous figures after I posted, but forgot to update my post.

    They have seen great rise in wages and pensions and logistical equipment, however, so it is perhaps justifiable to say that most of increase goes to personnel and other non directly military applications. Without a detailed breakdown of the spending it is hard to say.
    Well if we don't have a detailed breakdown of the spending then I don't think it is justifiable to say it's only spent on "non-threatening" things. I'm sure that pay increases are part of the increases, but I doubt that most of the money is being spent just on such things. Otherwise where does China's shiny new planes, ships and tanks come from?

    Personally I feel that China simply hurts its image by the lack of transparency over its budget. Everyone knows the figures are a fib, so why do they pretend that they're not spending so much? It's international "stock" might actually increase through being honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FuManChu
    Yes, I remember now - I had a look at the previous figures after I posted, but forgot to update my post.



    Well if we don't have a detailed breakdown of the spending then I don't think it is justifiable to say it's only spent on "non-threatening" things. I'm sure that pay increases are part of the increases, but I doubt that most of the money is being spent just on such things. Otherwise where does China's shiny new planes, ships and tanks come from?

    Personally I feel that China simply hurts its image by the lack of transparency over its budget. Everyone knows the figures are a fib, so why do they pretend that they're not spending so much? It's international "stock" might actually increase through being honest.
    I never said it was so, but that it is non-direct military applications. And I think you will find that the speed of shiny new planes acquisition hadn't increased particularly quickly, and in the case of military hardware purchased from us it was not in the budget anyway. Taking into account the rise in pay scale, which we do know, and pensions, is why I believe most of it isn't on weapons but things like pay and logistics. This is not to say this does not increase the capability of the PLA, far from it, having good personnel and logistics is easily doing more for fighting ability than mere weapons, if judiciously applied.

    As for increased stock... well, there are arguments on both sides. On one hand you allow much closer scrutiny on spending pattern, which is never a good thing, especially when same people perhaps forward the China threat theory anyway. On the other hand of course you have the benefits you described.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totoro
    RAND study also put last year's budget at around 40 something billion. So a true 45-50 billion budget for 2006 seems right. Imagine if every program gets a 14% increase.... how many more j10s per year would that make?
    Rand put last years budget at some $65 Billion. This may be a bit blown, but its mr\ore accurate than the pentagon. So this year, china may be spending nearly $75 billion, which is an awful lot. But considering how so many new weapons(j-10, type 99, yuan) have matured developemnt, this may be primarily targeted towards equipment aquisition along with offsetting rising gas prices.

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    China Holds Military Exercises Amid Taiwan Tensions
    From Defencetalk news.

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    "China is this week staging military exercises, state press said March 3, coinciding with a spike in tensions with Taiwan and the start of the nation’s annual parliamentary session.

    The joint air force, army and navy exercises began on March 1 and are aimed at simulating modern battle conditions using advanced information technology, the China Daily reported, without saying when they would end.

    The People’s Liberation Army Daily newspaper said the exercises were being carried out in the Shenyang, Guangzhou, Beijing and Chengdu military command regions, simulating the deployment of troops hundreds of kilometers away.

    Photos posted on official government websites showed navy transport ships carrying tanks and armored personnel carriers, with the vehicles disembarking from the ships onto beaches.

    The exercises began just after Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian scrapped unification guidelines with the mainland on Tuesday, a move that Beijing said would endanger peace in the Taiwan Strait and the Asia Pacific region.

    Since nationalist armies fled to Taiwan following their civil war defeat to communist forces in 1949, China has viewed the island as a renegade province to be reunified, by force if necessary.

    Beijing has insisted that formal Taiwan independence would mean war and has strongly warned Chen from making any moves in that direction.
    The state press did not link the exercises to the heightened cross-strait tensions but Joseph Cheng, a noted China watcher at the City University of Hong Kong, told AFP, they were meant to be a low-key signal to the island.

    ”Certainly this is an attempt to exert pressure on Chen Shui-bian,” Joseph Cheng said.

    ”Military exercises are probably seen as an appropriate warning at this stage.”

    Beijing needed to show it was being serious with Taiwan as delegates for the annual session of the National People’s Congress gather in the capital that starts on Sunday, he said.

    At the same time, China would not want to ratchet up tensions too high and create a negative atmosphere for the summit between President Hu Jintao and his U.S. counterpart George W. Bush in Washington next month, he said ”Chinese leaders want Bush to understand that they are exercising restraint. By showing this, they are in a better position to get the Bush administration to put pressure on Chen Shui-bian,” he said.
    China has previously staged much more intense military exercises in a bid to intimidate Taiwan’s independence movement.

    The bullying tactic backfired spectacularly in 1996 when Lee Teng-hui, much-vilified by Beijing, won Taiwan’s first direct presidential vote despite missile tests intended to warn the island’s voters against supporting him."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MIGleader
    Rand put last years budget at some $65 Billion. This may be a bit blown, but its mr\ore accurate than the pentagon. So this year, china may be spending nearly $75 billion, which is an awful lot. But considering how so many new weapons(j-10, type 99, yuan) have matured developemnt, this may be primarily targeted towards equipment aquisition along with offsetting rising gas prices.
    Eh, you think RAND's more accurate than SIPRI? I thought the latter was more correct than the former. Do you have any specific reason to believe that the Chinese budget is so high, or does it just "make sense" given what the armed forces have been rolling out these last few years in terms of new systems?
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    I think it is that he does tend towards figure of SIPRI, since he considers the Rand figure 'a bit blown'. I too am thinking that. The figure of between 1.4 to 1.7 times the official one makes good sense considering the budgetary changes for research funds and arms purchase, though the Rand figure may be acceptable as upper limit.

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    I made a news thread in another forum for more political envolved topics....
    http://www.globaltalknetworks.com/fo...995#post169995
    WARNING DO NOT TALK ABOUT POLITCS OR ANY OF THOSE POLITICAL RELATED SUBJECT HERE, your post will be automatically deleted!

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    Report: China plans to build carrier

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    HONG KONG (Kyodo) — The Chinese military is currently planning to build an aircraft carrier, a pro-Beijing daily in Hong Kong reported Friday.

    ”The Chinese army will conduct research and build an aircraft carrier and develop our own aircraft carrier fleet,” People’s Liberation Army Lt. Gen. Wang Zhiyuan was quoted as saying in the Chinese-language Wen Wei Po.

    ”An aircraft carrier is a very important tool for big countries defending their interests in the sea. China is a big country with a long shoreline. An aircraft carrier is necessary to defend our interests in the sea,” he said.
    It would be China’s first aircraft carrier and would likely be deployed to join other warships currently in the South China Sea, the newspaper said.

    Wang said the carrier fleet will not be complete for another three to five years.

    The newspaper said aircraft fit for the carrier and auxiliary warships and submarines are either being built or completed.

    It also quoted sources as saying China may deploy its aircraft carrier fleet near the energy fuel supply route in South China Sea where warships are now being deployed.

    The barriers for China to build its own aircraft carrier include technology advancement, hardware and software support, building and maintenance costs and political pressure from overseas over China’s becoming a military threat in the region, the newspaper reported.
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    http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publ...cle_005180.php

    China’s President Says Military Entering an ‘Important Period’

    "Chinese President Hu Jintao has told a group of senior officers the next five years will be “an important period” for the nation’s military modernization, state media reported Sunday.

    ”The 11th five-year plan (from 2006 to 2010) is a crucial period for the establishment of a comparatively prosperous society,” Hu said Saturday, according to the People’s Daily, the Communist party’s mouthpiece.
    ”It is also an important period for defense and army modernization,” he told the officers, assembled in Beijing as delegates to the ongoing National People’s Congress, or parliament.

    Meeting the officers in his capacity as chairman of the powerful Central Military Commission, Hu was wearing a simple green military jacket for the occasion.

    His remarks came just days after China announced its military budget for this year would rise 14.7 percent to 35 billion dollars, the latest in a series of double-digit annual increases dating back to the early 1990s.

    A Pentagon report last year estimated that China’s defense spending was two to three times the publicly announced figure and that the military balance with arch rival Taiwan was tipping in Beijing’s favor.
    ”We must persist in fulfilling the sacred task of defending national sovereignty, unity, territorial integrity and security,” Hu said, according to the People’s Daily.

    This appeared to be a veiled reference to what is arguably the Chinese military’s main responsibility, deterring Taiwan from formally breaking away and forcing it back into the fold if it does declare independence.

    China and Taiwan have been separated since the end of a civil war in 1949, but Beijing considers the island part of its territory awaiting reunification, by force if necessary.

    Hu said efforts should be stepped up to equip the army with modern information technology and to improve its combat efficiency through high-tech means.

    ”We should strive to improve the capability of the armed forces to deal with crises, maintain peace, contain wars and win victory in possible wars,” he said.

    Inspired by swift U.S. victories in post-Cold War conflicts, China has been striving to transform its military from an organization that relied on strength in numbers to a leaner, more sophisticated fighting force.

    It announced in January it had demobilized 200,000 members of its military over the previous three years, but even after those personnel cuts, it remained the world’s largest with 2.3 million troops.

    Hu is believed to be faced with the challenge of creating a loyal following among the nation’s top brass, just like his predecessor Jiang Zemin, who also had no military experience.

    Jiang solved the problem by increasing military spending and appointing proteges to high positions in the military. "





    I wonder what this is supposed to mean...
    any idea's? It doesnt get too specific when it mentions china's military is going through a "Crucial period"

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    China orders Russian equipment for J-11, but continues to develop local content

    By Yihong Chang JDW Correspondent
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    China remains heavily reliant on Russia for the local manufacture of J-11 air superiority fighter aircraft, but is expecting in 2006 to reach a production rate of 17 aircraft annually, according to Russian and Chinese sources.

    A Chinese military source told Jane's that Russia's Ural Optical & Mechanical Plant signed an agreement with China in October 2005 for the procurement of a new batch of OSL-31E optical sight systems.

    The source said the contract, for an undisclosed number of systems, was the first of its kind that the company has signed directly with China. Previous deals with China have gone through Russian export agency Rosoboronexport.

    The order for more OLS-31E systems indicates that China cannot yet produce indigenous sighting systems for the J-11, which is based on Russia's Sukhoi Su-27SK fighter. China is still attempting to produce more indigenous elements for the J-11, including the fire-control radar, power plant and spare parts.
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