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Roger604

Tacky PLA traditions. Just like those white helmets and monotone overalls on the pilots. They look like LEGO people.

Finn McCool

CJ-10/DH-10 is I believe the final nail in Taiwan's coffin. Defending the island without US help is no longer strategically viable at all without a major, sudden improvement in Taiwanese assets.

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pla101prc

if CJ-10 is a land based LACM, is DH-10 land based ASM or ship based LACM?

so China now has ballistic missile, LACM, long range Air-surface missile, LGB and UAV as means of engaging enemy targets, that's a lot of investments Taiwan has to make in order to effectively neutralize.

Ambivalent

The USAF and USN can cope with these when necessary. Taiwan will be safe.

pla101prc

nope, you'll need more than just one carrier battlegroup to "cope" with anything at China's doorstep, and quite frankly, washington is far less determined to protect Taiwan than Beijing is to take it.

Ambivalent

Who says only one CSG would show up? And the USAF would be right there too. But, hey, there is too much money to be lost in trade for such a scenario to play out. Everyone has their hands in everyone else's pockets, no one wants to see the trans-Pacific trade ruined by a silly war, do they. The potential economic loss moderates all sides.

pla101prc

which is why i say that Beijing is far more determined, for washington their concern is money, for Beijing, at some point, the Taiwan issue will escalate into a question of its leadership if it remains unresolved indefinitely. i am quite confident in my understanding of this aspect of the issue. but we are getting off topic.

tphuang

Okay, let's not turn this into a political or China vs Taiwan discussion. Let's stick with cruise and anti-ship missile.

Baibar of Jalat

Whats the status of C 803 subsonic/supersonic anti ship missile? Is it in service with PLAN? And is been exported to PN according to a rumor?

YJ 12 is that still alive and kicking?

tphuang

There is no such thing as C-803. C-802 series is pretty much equivalent to YJ-83 series I guess, although not exactly the same.

I do think there is supersonic AShm in development somewhere, but I haven't seen any deployment (as YJ-12 or anything else).

Baibar of Jalat

I have googled YJ 83 to read more about program. I found link on PDF and you were saying the exact same thing. However this was slightly after posting.

I thought I typed in yj 83 instead of C 803, I should have checked post then quickly edited my post.

Anyway I was wondering if it was deployed and if info posted on wikipedia was accurate that it had sub sonic cruising phase then a terminal supersonic phase.

tphuang

there is actually no conclusive evidence that YJ-83 has a terminal supersonic phase, so I really don't know. If we look at similar missiles like MM-40 and Harpoon, then it's probably purely subsonic.

Skywatcher

Janes seems to think that the YJ-12 is already in deployment, but it is JANES after all.

tphuang

pictures of CJ-10 launching off. It's from one of those CCTV broadcast I think. Doesn't say much, just gives you an idea of what CJ-10 looks like. It's definitely not the best quality picture.

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pla101prc

nice photo,where did you find that?