Chinese Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms

Originally Posted by kroko

L Its not my fault that you didnt read the last posts before making that post. And besides that freebeacon article, where is the "third party source" ? again, t.

New York Times. Third time mentioned.

Originally Posted by TyroneG

New York Times. Third time mentioned.

NYT is an anti-China paper, just like the Washington Times and Washington post. Those papers would post anything to fuel the China-Threat argument. Newspapers don't write what's accurate, they write what's interesting and attention grabbing.
There's a lot of right-winged newspaper that constantly write bloated facts about China, often quoting from shaky sources. This doesn't make them credible.

Originally Posted by Vini_Vidi_Vici

NYT is an anti-China paper, just like the Washington Times and Washington post. Those papers would post anything to fuel the China-Threat argument. Newspapers don't write what's accurate, they write what's interesting and attention grabbing.
There's a lot of right-winged newspaper that constantly write bloated facts about China, often quoting from shaky sources. This doesn't make them credible.

New york times might have their own agenda but they are not in the habit of lying. there is such thing as editing. Before any news is pubished , they are vetted and edited by their own editor for accuracy.

I like the way China basher have selected amnesia. Any news not to their liking they said oh it must be faked or cannot be determined its accuracy but if ONI produced the submarine noise chart they just gulp it lock stock and barrel. Even if those chart are produced before even the Chinese type 93, 95 are built! Amazing

No the pentagon or White house is not on habit of confirming or denying any russian or chinese missile test. Even though I bet they discussed among themsleves in the internal memo

Originally Posted by kroko

Lol. That was the same article that was presented in this thread a few posts behind. See my post nº 492.


Running out of arguments, hendrik ?

Another news article talking about another news article? Heh
BTW that news article (marked in bold) happens to be the same freebeacon article by bill gertz. Seems like a circle of information.

Now you are a mod? why disputing this test makes me a flamer and trying to stir trouble?


AFAIK, they discussed it on CCTV. They didn’t say that DF-41 existed. Just because CCTV is government owned doesn’t mean that they know everything. Or do you think that PLA would pass 2nd artillery secrets to journalists ??
As for proving, I don’t have to prove anything. Iam pointing to the fact that only freebeacon has report this news, no one else. They have been disproven before. Now you are telling me to prove that DF-41 doesn’t exist? It is you who are insisting in the veracity of this report. Prove it.

Lol. You have too much confidence on those two.

LOL you have too much confidence in your opinion.
Bill Gertz would would have more knowledge than everyone in this forum.
Not just Bill Gertz, but Richard Fisher and Mark Stokes aswell.

Originally Posted by Hendrik_2000

Exactly that is my guess as well Either russian emigre or Eastern European immigrant living in Canada

no, he is not russian.

he is from an english speaking country for sure (US, UK, canada, australia).

my guess is american. (has that denial attitude about everything china does, and DF-41 is a missile to hit the mainland US so its natural).

Originally Posted by J-XX

no, he is not russian.

he is from an english speaking country for sure (US, UK, canada, australia).

my guess is american. (has that denial attitude about everything china does, and DF-41 is a missile to hit the mainland US so its natural).

No american would keep on insisting current Varyag still using the old Russian Engine.
pretty ridiculous.

Here is Hans Kristensen's article from 2009.

The rumors about the DF-41 were so prevailing that an interviewer on the Chinese CCTV 4 Focus Today program the day before the parade kept asking Major General Zhang Xinan, the Assistant Director of the Second Artillery Corps’ Political Department, about the missile. But the General appeared to caution about what he called the “so-called DF-41,” saying that “this mystery will be cleared up tomorrow in the parade.” He did not dismiss the existence of a DF-41, but no such missile launcher rolled across the square.

Even so, photos have been circulating on the web for several years allegedly showing what appear to be a Chinese mobile missile launcher that is clearly different from the DF-31. Many have speculated that the launcher is for the elusive DF-41. Is it, or could this be the launcher for the DF-31A, or something completely different?

Missile Mystery in Beijing » FAS Strategic Security Blog


I don't think that anyone of us will know anytime soon what kinda missile this TEL is carrying inside that canister. It could be anything from ABM to DF-41.

Lol. That was the same article that was presented in this thread a few posts behind. See my post nº 492.


Running out of arguments, hendrik ?

Another news article talking about another news article? Heh
BTW that news article (marked in bold) happens to be the same freebeacon article by bill gertz. Seems like a circle of information.

Not exactly Jane defense weekly and free beacon report the news independently Even the Russian comment on the news
Global times quote a chinese military commentator that the missile is not tested but that is only his opnion He is not connected to Chinese military in any way

A report in Global Times, the populist sister title of Communist Party mouthpiece the People’s Daily, apparently confirmed such a rocket was in development, quoting local military expert Wei Guoan.

However, he denied it had been fired already in testing and claimed it was not a DF-41.
China could penetrate US with new huge missile

Uh oh...

By Phil Muncaster • Get more from this author

Posted in Public Sector, 24th August 2012 06:38 GMT
China could penetrate US with new huge missile • The Register

It might be time to sweep the cobwebs out of that old nuclear bunker at the bottom of the garden after reports in state-run Chinese media confirmed that the People’s Liberation Army is actively developing an intercontinental missile capable of penetrating US defences.

News first emerged of the planned ‘super missile’ from defence industry bible Jane’s Defence Weekly last week, according to South China Morning Post.

It apparently claimed that a Dongfeng-41 (DF-41) intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), had been fired in testing last month by the PLA’s Second Artillery Corps.


China, US to begin new arms race?: Voice of Russia
China intends to significantly increase its missile potential. According to the influential Jane’s Defence Weekly, China has successfully test-fired the Dongfeng-41 (DF-41) intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) capable of reaching any spot on US territory. Beijing denied the information, but admitted that it is developing a new-generation ICB capable of destroying targets all across the world.

Russian defense experts have, meanwhile, expressed surprise about the turmoil surrounding the DF-41 given that many countries knew about this ICBM missile before. They were echoed by Moscow-based military expert Viktor Baranets.

"China began to develop the Dongfeng, or Eastern Wind, ICBMs back in the 1980s, and there are several modifications of these missiles, including the DF-41, which has already been put on service," Baranets says. "China is just test-firing the DF-41’s missile carrier, something that has been tracked by the US Missile and Space Intelligence Center," he concludes.

Originally Posted by Vini_Vidi_Vici

NYT is an anti-China paper, just like the Washington Times and Washington post. Those papers would post anything to fuel the China-Threat argument. Newspapers don't write what's accurate, they write what's interesting and attention grabbing.
There's a lot of right-winged newspaper that constantly write bloated facts about China, often quoting from shaky sources. This doesn't make them credible.

From the horses mouth. This is as close as you can get to confirmation. Now where are all those sceptic and confirmation freak
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90786/7930833.html

China: Missile tests targeted at no specific country(Xinhua)08:13, August 31, 2012 China's Defense Ministry spokesman confirmed on Thursday that the People's Liberation Army (PLA) had conducted missile tests within national territory and clarified that they were not targeted at any one country.

"We conducted some normal weapons tests within the territory recently," spokesman Geng Yansheng told a regular press conference arranged by the ministryThese tests have no specific targets and were not targeted at any specific countries," Geng said, reiterating that the weaponry buildup is to answer the need to safeguard national security.

Domestic and foreign media reports said that the PLA's Second Artillery Force had successfully test-launched several missiles, including DF-41 intercontinental ballistic missile..

Others claimed the PLA's tests of JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missiles had all failed, and that China's development of ballistic missiles was at a comparatively slow pace.

The spokesman neither revealed what kinds of missiles the PLA had tested, nor confirmed the truth of the reports.

According to the reports, China's latest ballistic missiles launched from its mainland have a range allowing them to hit any point of the United States and could penetrate its missile defense system.

Originally Posted by Hendrik_2000

From the horses mouth. This is as close as you can get to confirmation. Now where are all those sceptic and confirmation freak
China: Missile tests targeted at no specific country - People's Daily Online

China: Missile tests targeted at no specific country(Xinhua)08:13, August 31, 2012 China's Defense Ministry spokesman confirmed on Thursday that the People's Liberation Army (PLA) had conducted missile tests within national territory and clarified that they were not targeted at any one country.

"We conducted some normal weapons tests within the territory recently," spokesman Geng Yansheng told a regular press conference arranged by the ministryThese tests have no specific targets and were not targeted at any specific countries," Geng said, reiterating that the weaponry buildup is to answer the need to safeguard national security.

Domestic and foreign media reports said that the PLA's Second Artillery Force had successfully test-launched several missiles, including DF-41 intercontinental ballistic missile..

Others claimed the PLA's tests of JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missiles had all failed, and that China's development of ballistic missiles was at a comparatively slow pace.

The spokesman neither revealed what kinds of missiles the PLA had tested, nor confirmed the truth of the reports.

According to the reports, China's latest ballistic missiles launched from its mainland have a range allowing them to hit any point of the United States and could penetrate its missile defense system.

maybe they are integrating beidou in the missile sys and testing it...

Originally Posted by Hendrik_2000

Domestic and foreign media reports said that the PLA's Second Artillery Force had successfully test-launched several missiles, including DF-41 intercontinental ballistic missile.

Others claimed the PLA's tests of JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missiles had all failed, and that China's development of ballistic missiles was at a comparatively slow pace.

The spokesman neither revealed what kinds of missiles the PLA had tested, nor confirmed the truth of the reports.

Ok. we only know that there were missiles tested. What does it say that it was DF-41 that was tested? Nothing.

This is an article debunking the DF-41 test news
Gregory Kulacki: Misattribution and Exaggeration Mar Reporting on Chinese Missile Test

It appears that the freebeacon article was the basis of all the DF-41 test news circulating in jane´s, global times, and others.

Originally Posted by kroko

Ok. we only know that there were missiles tested. What does it say that it was DF-41 that was tested? Nothing.

This is an article debunking the DF-41 test news
Gregory Kulacki: Misattribution and Exaggeration Mar Reporting on Chinese Missile Test

It appears that the freebeacon article was the basis of all the DF-41 test news circulating in jane´s, global times, and others.

George Kulacki and his fellow of union of concern scientist have for years advocate disarmament. Reduction of nuclear Power. these are the same people who estimate that China only have 100 nuclear bomb. Where is this come from . It come form study done back 70's by Ex Chinese nuclear scientist who did a stint in MIT where Carl Lewis and his fellow work . the study was based on the production rate of nuclear OLD fissile plant in the old base in North East But we all know because of Soviet and China conflict in 70 Those production based have been moved to the sout west. So they actually have no clue of the fissile material production rate. Why they keep flogging this number becaue it fit their agenda of dis armament.

So the fact that China keep improving the missile delivery system doesn't fit their agenda So much for the credibility of George Kulacki he doesn't recite ay sources for this rebuttal other than his personal opinion.

China doesn't normally comment on the missile test . The fact the come clean after rumor of DF 41 test, is the closest thing that you can get for confirmation . They don't need to be explicit, because the message is intended for selected people without alarming the whole world knowing well the test will be tracked

Here is the agenda for union of concern scientist
http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_weapon...obal_security/
Nuclear Weapons & Global Security
Our scientists and policy experts work to reduce some of the biggest security threats facing the world today, including the risks posed by nuclear weapons, nuclear terrorism, and space weapons. We work with scientists around the globe to increase international understanding of these issues and to foster and strengthen efforts to increase international security.

China's strategic missiles realize mobile launch

As the high-tech unit of China's People's Liberation Army (PLA), the Second Artillery Corps (SAC) has fully completed the transition from "troops in the mountains" to "troops on the wheel" over the past 10 years. The wide use of solid fuel and vehicle-mounted missile launchers for both conventional and nuclear ballistic missiles has greatly improved the SAC's mobility, and thus increased its ability to deal with satellite reconnaissance.

Established on July 1, 1966, the SAC comprises the ground-to-ground strategic nuclear missile forces, conventional operational-tactical missile forces, and support units. Its mobility and strike range has increased steadily.

China's strategic missiles have grown from a single model to a big family of various short-range, medium-range, long-range, and intercontinental missiles. In addition, the wide use of solid fuel has made its conventional and nuclear ballistic missiles smaller and lighter.

At smaller sizes, China's missiles have become more powerful, more accurate, and faster. Missile forces are always a focus of other countries' satellite reconnaissance, and mobile launch is an effective way to deal with such reconnaissance and escape possible attacks.

The SAC, China's strategic missile forces, has greatly improved its precision strike capacity over the past decade. At present, all of its missiles can be launched by vehicle-mounted launchers, making it possible to conduct strikes in all terrains, all directions, and all weathers.

The SAC's First Conventional Missile Brigade, which was established 19 years ago, has launched missiles more than 100 times, and never missed its targets. According to the PLA Pictorial, the First Conventional Missile Brigade using China's independently developed new-generation missiles comprehensively beat another brigade using one of the world’s most advanced air-defense missiles in a recent military drill simulating the interception of ballistic missiles by air-defense missiles.

Last year, the SAC’s first all-female unit made its debut on a plateau, where 35 female artillerists launched missiles that all hit their targets.

Story of a production quality inspector of the 2nd Arty. we can see one of the ballistic missiles component production plant.