This is a discussion on China and North Korea: What Can China Do? within the Strategic Defense forums, part of the China Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by AssassinsMace Been down this road before and Kim nixed the plan before it started. Maybe the difference ...
Last edited by delft; 06-08-2011 at 07:26 AM.
Even there was, why can't I bring it up again? As you mentioned, it has happened before. If it has, there is no reason to say that it won't happen again, or it shouldn't happen again.
There have been many incidences in China's history when a puppet was placed on the throne and the real power sat behind the curtain. So Chinese are well familiar with all the technical aspect of this matter.
Last edited by vesicles; 06-08-2011 at 01:55 PM.
The most important reason for China to support NK is to have a buffer zone between it and US influence. If China somehow claimed NK as its own, then NK loses all value as a buffer zone. NK also serves as a very effective tool to bring the US on to the bargaining table, but that value would be lost if China was seen as the "power behind the throne" of NK, since China would then have to take responsibility for NK's actions.
The usefulness of NK lies entirely on its dysfunctional economy (thereby forcing it to rely on China), and its rogue state (making it a thorn to the US and its allies in the region).
Indeed the Texans fought for freedom, the freedom to keep slaves. BTW the Texan, who came out of the Southern states of the US, wanted to grow cotton, but they couldn't find enough water for that crop, so they didn't need as many slaves as
By treating North Korea as a rogue state the US strengthens the hand of China in the region.
Last edited by delft; 06-08-2011 at 02:39 PM.
Whether its economy is in shambles or whether its economy is prosperous wasn't a particular concern in earlier years, so long as it doesn't collapse into anarchy. This seems to have changed in recent years where concerns about DPRK collapsing due to economic ruin, food shortages, etc seems to be on the rise.
Perhaps this is where PRC came in to try and persuade Kim to undertake serious economic reforms. After all, why have an impoverished ally when you can have a prosperous one? Furthermore, a prosperous ally who can afford to buy modern military hardware from PRC is surely a bonus.
What do u think will be the probability of a unified Korea aligning with China??
Sugguesting (in your #9 post) "put a puppet on NK's throne..." is actually JUSTIFYING, in any ALTERNATIVE HISTORY, any superpower country, doing the same thing to (not yet put up on its own feet)America, is a "way out" for International Relations.
Me quoting the Texas (alternative) history, is simply hoping you feeling, that "what if you are being chest-thumbed?" (that IF Texas didn't successfully get away from Mexico or get independent or what so ever... only because some 3rd party superpower "INTERVENED", in an alternative and very "realiablly reasoned" history, where "I coup you, you coup him", being very acceptable International Relationship) you pissed? Cause NK people will (eventually) pissed, if what you sugguested has took place in the reality. - Human rights hah?...
We can stop these political BS anytime - as soon as people stops proposing more.
Since not many are confortable of "putting his own feet to others' shoes" kind of debate, please ignore the ACTUAL HISTORY OF TEXAS part. Simply put (for you), China, being kind enough, don't freaking bother the idea of "mess other people's life by putting up a puppet to their home", and eventually suffers whatever shit, like what all the WOULD-BE-SUPERPOWER country in the history.
China's "Being superpower for 5000 years minus recent 200 years" of MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE WISDOM, knows better not to mess up other people's life to show your own superpowering. - CAUSE WE WITNESSED OTHER SUPERPOWER DYING, BY DOING THAT, throughout the history.
Last edited by Red___Sword; 06-09-2011 at 12:10 AM.
And PRC, being a permanent member of UN, made sure that the UN was not able to do anything to stop the human rights abuses in Cambodia. But I suppose this bit of history isn't mentioned by the media within PRC?
Do people actually read Red__Sword's posts? I try to, but no offense, and I can't understand 80% of what he says.
Anyway, if NK ever became prosperous, what would keep them from turning against China like Vietnam?
This has been one of the main reasons why the talks and tensions on the Korean peninsula have been going on for so long, because Pyongyang knows that if they can't deal with or gain support from the US they'll become a de facto Chinese colony and utterly dependent on China for trade and survival, they want to increase their options to maintain real independence. But their brinkmanship has had the opposite effect, that and general bad timing with uncooperative American governments since Bill Clinton left office has meant the North has no other choice but to give into Beijing or just spend eternity banging its head against the wall in the vain hope of forcing the uncooperative west and South to recognize it as an equal partner.
The "Rouge" thing is just a title, I still remember when Iran and Cuba is the best friend of some major player, and I still have no clue why don't we blame the "other 4" UN big player, whenever there is someone having an unnatural death on this planet.
I assume McArthur 麦克阿瑟 is a Chinese bad-ass general when he said "The (south) Vietnam maybe is a son-of-B**H, but it is OUR son-of-B**H!"
And honestly, I don't find Singapore is wrong when people have nothing better to do to make accuse on Singapore's human right record.
So, this thread can of course like many other forums to "make a decision on what's better to do for North Korea" and all us will automatically having a better neighbor in our community (which is called planet earth).
Congrats to the newly choosen mods, and if you find necessary to close this thread, I am with you.
Oh, I forgot to direct answer: Like I post in some-other thread, Chinese people, simply LIKES to review their (our) past experience, the bit of history regarding Cambodia, I personally having had watched a Chinese mainland TV program, of reviewing the mistake of supporting "Red-Khmer-Movement", only because they used the "Red" title.
I guess that's one indirect hint, of why nowadays, we don't really gives a damn, to the "title" thing.
Last edited by Red___Sword; 06-10-2011 at 02:27 AM.