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Bush himself came out and personally demanded China return the plane and the crew. As far as I know, Hu hasn't come out and personally demand the US to cancel the deal yet.

No, many posters here have a problem with what you say because you haven't shown any evidence to back up what you say. So far, all you have said have been rhetoric talk like how weak and pathetic China is and how far China is behind some certain country. In fact, that's all you've been saying in almost every post. If you have an opinion on things, show evidence, legit evidence.

tphuang

I haven't read bothered reading through this thread, but I think this is BS. If they want to prevent military exports to Taiwan, pass law that punishes export companies (like what US does with Iran). Stopping military exchanges doesn't help anyone.

lcloo

Obama is obviously is playing his Taiwan card trying to recapture the losing support in US. It is dangerous economically to make such move by US at this moment as US is still not out of the wood.

Although China may not be a military super power, it's economic link with US is very intimate and US could lose more than China if China decide to reduce its holding on US bonds and divert to holding gold and othe commodities, and invest in other parts of the world. China is already pushing for more economic ties with other emerging economies so that they don't put most of their eggs in anyone country.

It does not matter what twodollarss said about China being weak because what China have militarily is already sufficient to make West worry big. And the technical and scientific progress that we have witnessed during the last two decades speaks for itselve. There is no need to argue with this twodollarss.

Also the sale of arms to Taiwan may push China to accelerate its research advancement in weapon development, which I think could turn out to be in China's favour in the end.

solarz

You're assuming that China really cares about the actual *weapons* being sold to Taiwan. I think it's more about the principle of the thing. Actually coming up with a useful retaliatory measure might rile up factions in Taiwan and push the KMT down in the polls, something that Beijing obviously doesn't want. Stopping military exchanges shows China's displeasure without actually providing Taiwan with any "China is a threat" ammunition.

Lion

J-10 = Lavi? Prove it with official statement. It just typical western propaganda to decredit China military achievement. Precisely what u are doing.. I say it more awefully means 'Sourgrape''

You think Lavi FBW software can just cut and paste since the engine use of dimension is different. The whole structure of Lavi need to redesign to accomodate the AL-31F.

In that case Gripen can also be called a copy of Lavi...

If u think is so easy, how come not much country able to do it?

As for J-11, its a license produced of Su-27SK. Any problem?

Obcession

Which reminds me, that's probably why China has been pressuring US to drop the deal, instead of the Taiwan side? China doesn't want to jeopardize the advances in relations with Taiwan, that's the only reason I can think of. Although I think China has a much better bargaining position for Taiwan to drop the purchase.

SampanViking

Is this price tag fixed or is that it way it currently comes out as? In other words if the dollar hits a flap and takes a dive the dollar value could soar and blow the deal completely out of budget so that Taipei has to walk away.

Just a thought.

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pla101prc

lol these stuff are procedural, its like recalling embassadors, wouldnt harm ya, but its big because its a high level gesture. if someone think that China would go on an all out conflict with the US over a couple of useless missiles...then there is a lot of homework to be done on how international relations work.

jantxv

Since the PRC froze military exchanges during the last arms sale in 2008 they would have to do so again in 2010. Otherwise the PRC would be sending the signal that they are now fine with continuing Taiwanese armament. Some may say, in order not to be only procedural in the cutting the military exchange, that additional feelings of disagreement must be vented. That is probably the reason for the sanctions talk.

Even if sanctions are pushed through, it doesn't mean they'll actually be enforced. Publicly, sure, they'll be all sorts of stories about excommunicated firms. But, behind the scenes, as almost everyone knows, business will continue as usual as it always has.

The PRC is just communicating that their feelings about the Taiwanese issue have not changed is all.

PiSigma

Here's the latest news on BBC about China may put sanctions on Boeing for participating in the arms sale.
BBC News - Chinese warn Boeing over Taiwan
It pretty much says it all, Taiwan sales for Boeing is $32M, where if they sale 1 plane to china, it could be around $50M, the math is just not worth it. If let's say china decides to buy planes from only airbus which is not associated with weapons sales to Taiwan for a single year, Beoing will loss out on hundreds of millions of potential orders. They could use that as a stick to pressure other companies as well, only using Boeing as an example.

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Mr T

Is Boeing the best company to put a total ban on orders down on? It's not like every dollar from a sale goes out of China, it has factories there too.

Also if China wants to give Airbus a monopoly on its international purchases it's more than welcome to. We'll jack up the price and give it less favourable terms than would have been the case if Boeing had been competing.

pla101prc

lol its meant to be a punitive measure, if China just kicks boeing out of its market then it defeats the whole purpose. but in the short term airbus should be able to benefit a lil though. so be sure to buy some airbus stocks this week.

Mr T

How would kicking Boeing out of the Chinese market defeat the purpose of punishing the company? That would punish it in the most severe way possible, even if it's ill-advised. If you mean China just wants to punish Boeing a bit but not too much, ok.

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The Financial Times has an article on why wide-ranging sanctions would be a bad idea.

Beijing sanctions over arms sales could backfire

I agree with the last statement in terms of likely action from China.

solarz

You make it sound like having a proportionate response is a bad thing.

Government purchases don't fall under the WTO laws. Hmmm... I wonder how many Chinese airlines are owned by the government?