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By People's Daily OnlineBe-103 will greatly enhance PLAN’s off shore garrison support.
Russia to sell Be-103 amphibian aircraft to China, Indonesia and Brazil
To protect its economic interests at sea, Indonesia plans to purchase 8-15 Be-103 amphibian aircraft from Russia, said Boris Bergman, deputy general director of the Sukhoi Company, according to Aviation News from Russia on AVIA.RU on Dec. 10.
He said the Sukhoi Company arranged a presentation of Be-103 for the Indonesian Minister of Fishery and Sea Transport. Indonesia doesn't plan to use Be-103 for passenger carriage, but as a special-purpose aircraft, reports aeroinfo.com.cn.
He added that in the future Be-103 will be used in its special-purpose modification. A purchase of this aircraft may be repaid very quickly owing to its tangible economic effects where it operates in the interests of customs, forest protection and other special-purpose services.
According to Mr. Bergman, the Be-103 ideally fits Indonesia and other countries of Southeast Asia. He said the company will deliver 20 Be-103 aircraft to China. It also plans to sign a contract with Brazil for delivering eight of the aircraft.
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The Be-103 is an amphibian aircraft, jointly developed and produced by the Beriev Aviacomplex at Taganrog and the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Gagarin Aircraft Complex. It is mainly intended for short-distance aviation lines, such as in the areas of Siberia, the Fast East, in the northern parts of the European part in Russia and coastal and island countries as well as rivers, lakes and other small areas that the other transportation facilities are difficult to reach.
It is suitable for many transportation tasks, such cargo and passenger transportation, administrative business liaison, emergency medical aid, risk rescue, mail delivery, ecological monitoring of waterways (sampling if necessary), aerial photo-taking, commercial tourism, forestry monitoring and protection, and marine and economic zone patrol. For military purpose, it can be used for command and reconnaissance, such as the installation of weaponry and military operation.
There are six crewmembers for Be-103 aircraft (one pilot and five passengers or two pilots and four passengers) with a covering distance of 1,100 kilometers and a cruising speed of 240 kilometers per hour. The plane can flight at night with seaworthiness, sea state, measuring two-wave height (0.6 m). Each costs some 1 million US dollars.
http://english.people.com.cn/200512/...15_228297.html
this report came out last december. Is it even true? I never heard of such a deal until now. This kind of purchase does not seem to serve china any good either, as it already has reconissance and command aircraft.
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Well the aircraft is real. I found some nice pics of it. But is the deal real?? I don't know. The aircraft is rather small and has a limited payload. Perhaps it could be converted for maritime patrol. Kind of a mini P-3 type.
Good link about the aircraft...great pics...
http://www.knaapo.ru/eng/news/news.w...0-34A935B809FF
Be-103 in St Petersburg Harbour..Check the ships in the background!
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with the purchase of be-200, I think be-103 was probably bought for non-military purpose. After all, China has a rather large coast and I'm sure they will have use for this in the coast cities/villages.
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Dude! You're in China..I checked your IP...Originally Posted by tphuang
How many Be-200 will the PLA purchase? I read 10 at our pal stragtey center
http://www.strategycenter.net/resear...pub_detail.asp
Was the deal ever finalized? (I can't find any links saying so.) If so when can we China watchers expect to see them delivered? Great purchase by the PLA if true! Hope the Russians supply plenty of spare parts and training for the PLA's sake....
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I've been here bothering my relatives for the past 2 to 3 weeks.Dude! You're in China..I checked your IP...
How many Be-200 will the PLA purchase? I read 10 at our pal stragtey center
http://www.strategycenter.net/resear...pub_detail.asp
Was the deal ever finalized? (I can't find any links saying so.) If so when can we China watchers expect to see them delivered? Great purchase by the PLA if true! Hope the Russians supply plenty of spare parts and training for the PLA's sake....
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The recent helicopter purchase by China included 15 Be-200. Definitely a good purchase, I'm still wondering about its capabilities though. Any idea how it compares to P-3C?
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Nope..because the P-3 is constanly being updated like most USN gear.I've been here bothering my relatives for the past 2 to 3 weeks.
The recent helicopter purchase by China included 15 Be-200. Definitely a good purchase, I'm still wondering about its capabilities though. Any idea how it compares to P-3C?
That purchase is good news for the PLA though. A step in the right direction.
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Popeye, I read that you're one the mods. I'd like to ask you an off-topic question: For what purpose do you trace other's IP? My suggestion is that in case the person hasn't done anything violate the rules of the forum, you, as a mod, do not have right to trace other's IP (especially you announce it after that), 'coz it's something private. We should respect privacy of each other.
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Well the KGB checks out every one's IPs. This forum works on basis of opressing tyranny and our methods are not for beeing guestioned. We have had enough trouple from idiots registering another IP adresses after being banned so everybody is checked.
In here, mods have the rigth to do anything they find nesseserily in order to keep the forum clean. So forget all the BS about freedom of speech and personal privacy, they arent things of SDF.
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waaaait, but IP's (at least mine does) changes every so often how do you know its the same ip if it changes?
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well thats the propelm, but the System registers every IP addresses that one account have visited in here....usually it is very effective however, and many of our constant trolls, vincelee(orginal!) mainly has been effectively embargoed by IP checks.
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Forgetting the IP crap...
The deal was supposed to signed by Rosobornexport in the fall of this year. so the deal has not been finalized yet. I expect ti to go through without a hitch, as this seems more like a chinese "gift" to russia rather than a serious purchase.
I would expect all the be-103s and be-200s to be operated by China-United airlines, keeping them "civilian"
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Ahem..Popeye, I read that you're one the mods. I'd like to ask you an off-topic question: For what purpose do you trace other's IP?
1) I'm a mod..I can do that...
2) Tphuang mentioned to me that he was going to the PRC..I was just checking because I was not sure when....
3) Read what Golly posted.
4) Checking IP's is a way to look for trolls and other banned members.
5) I like to know where people really are located.
We need not to worry about this subject. It is far from perfect but works for us.
Let's get back to the Be-103. Ok.
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Be-103 looks like great little plain for coast guard duties (anti smuggling patrols, fishing zone patrols, SAR etc.), and they could base some in Spratly islands( it would be great for supplying small outposts, surveillance duties, local military personnel transfers)…
It would definitely make great replacement for good old Y-5 in coastal areas and to take some burden from helicopter fleet…
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Be-103s are small. Will they be able to transport anything that's not in bags? The point about coast guard duties, I agree with that though. They'll probably be scout and patroling planes like the US coast guard's Falcons.
As for ASW roles, the Be-103 definitely cannot do this, and I have doubts for the 200. Why use such a spacious and valued plane?
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interesting. I personally think this will replace SH-5 in plan, but the need for better sonars on destroyers is still there. The need for more ASW helicopter is still there. So yeah, a step in the right direction, but still a long way to go.
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