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drunkhomer

rommel

The Sea Dart is extremely accurate for pinpoint defence, I know that the Sea Dart can shot down incoming sea-skimming missile and I heard that a Sea Dart even shot down a artillery shell once...

The AEGIS is not combat proven, but the Harpoon is, the Tomahawk (only the LACM) is also

I'm also sure that combat exercise of the US level can reflect well, but not perfectly a real combat.

Short Range and low speed is not a problem. The Exocet was pretty good, it goes to the same speed as a harpon and have even shorter range. Like Sea Dog said, under combat condition, you rarely shot from the maximum distance. I give an exemple, very simple one, the infantry, during world war II, most of the rifle have a effective range of over 1000m, but most infantry combat range was from 100m to 250m. I guessed it's the same thing for the Navy

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Mr_C

Its pretty obvious why humans and machines don't fight at maxium range. Eg if an anti-ship missile has a max range of 200km and its fired at that distance, the enemy only has to sail away from the missile beyond the missile's maxium range to get out of the problem.

Yimmy

You are confusing Sea Dart with Sea Wolf.

Sea Wolf is the short range missile capable of destroying incoming missiles, aircraft and shells, while Sea Dart is the long range missile.

Sea Wolf is fired by sextiple rotating launchers or 16 or 32 round verticle launchers, the missile coming in two varients. Only the sextiple launcher version was available in the Falklands conflict, and the system operated outstandingly well. As it did in the 1991 Gulf Conflict.

Sea Dart is fired by rotating twin launchers, and is one of only two(?) such NATO systems capable of automatic reloading in seconds. Whoever said only one missile could be fired at a time, and that they are guided by a 50's era radar, is wrong. The missile and radar entred service in the late 70's with the Type 42's, while the radar has an exceptionally long tracking range, although of conventional design. Due to Sea Dart, in the Falklands the Argentinians (also operating Sea Dart and knowing its abilities), were forced to fly exceptionaly low, to avoid its engagement envelope. The missile didnt rack up many kills in the conflict (which included an unfortunate friendly fire incident on a low flying army scout helicopter). In the Gulf War of 1991 the system successfully engaged two Chinese Silkworm missiles.

Both missile systems are getting a bit old now days though, and soon will be replaced in British service by Aster 15/30.

The verticle launch system for Sea Wolf, is the same as that for verticle launch MICA however, so upgrade is easy.

KlubMarcus

Yep! With radar planes, subs, drones, picket ships, satellites, and etc. working for the USA, it's going to be very difficult for the PLAN to get close enough to get good range and bearing figures to launch an anti-ship missile. Let's assume that they do. That means that the PLAN missile will be airborne for 15+ minutes. Plenty of time for the USN to detect, turn the ships to buy time, launch decoys, and send an airstrike on a reverse heading. The PLAN commanders aren't dumb so they know they have to get closer or stay close to the mainland. That leaves reduces their options.

MIGleader

i think the plan plans to stay near the mainland in war. under tghe protection of ground planes, radar, sams, and aaa, the plan warships are safe. from their haven, plan destroyer missles can form a detterent against the u.s cvbg, so the cvbg will never get within 200 km of the strait. this limits the optionsw of the cvbg.

KlubMarcus

Good! That's where we want Chinese shipping, close to port where they are supposed to be. So any invasion of Taiwan will fail without a sea re-supply and US forces are free to roam beyond China's horizon plotting mischief.

Totoro

200 km away from the strait / chinese shore isn't really going to do that much. Yeah, it can limit the strikes past the shore, inland, but as for the shore, it's still well into the range of a F18 E/F. Carrying two external tanks of 1800 liters each, which still enables it to carry enough of bombs and missiles, superhornet can strike a target 700 kilometers away, loitering over it for five minutes if needed and get back to the carrier, without refuelling. Without loitering i'm guessing that figure is closer to 750 km.

slackpiv

The superior range of the yj-62 means nothing. The 052C will not be able to target over the horizon unless China's get the KA-31.

MIGleader

what about the ka-28? or upgrades to the z-9? they are both good targeting copters, but still not as good as the ka-31. any upgrade to the ka-28 would be good, seeing how the ka-31 is essentially a ka-28 upgrade itself

Sczepan

Some Z-9C are fitted with an indigenous KLC-1 surface search radar working at X-band. The radar provides can detect targets at over-the-horizon distance and transmit it to the carrier ship. The helicopter can also guide the anti-ship cruise missile (ASCM) via its datalink at the missile’s initial stage of flight.
The Z-9C can also be configured for anti-surface missile command relay missions. This significantly improves the PLAN vessel's observation, reconnaissance and attack capabilities well beyond the range of the vessel's surface search system. When the helicopter's surface search radar detects the enemy ship, the target information is transferred to the carrier ship through datalink. The anti-ship missile also relies on the guidance data from the helicopter at the initial stage of an 'over-the-horizon' attack.
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/helicopter/z9c.asp

crobato

Not really, since the missile is no doubt active guided. You can send the missile over the target area, turn on the seeker and hunt for a target. A datalink back to the ship can be used to confirm and authorize the target. A missile that size should have relatively large diameter for a radar antenna, more than capable of acquiring destroyer sized targets within a radius of 50-60km.