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BrotherofSnake

Whats the radar signature of the 52C?

vincelee

you know IdonT, just because Richard Fisher said the system is based on the Kvant doesn't mean it actually is, in fact, if you look at the development history of the HT-233 phased array, that fits much more nicely into the 052C timeline. And also, S-300? If you haven't noticed, these use Top Plate/Tombstone.

MIGleader

Holy Shit! no one knows what kind of phased array radar it uses, it features an indegedous hq-9 sam, and it's not a revolver system, and each missle has it's own lid.

vincelee

what's the IQ of BrotherofSnake?

MIGleader

not much if he thinks rounded corners help stealth.

FriedRiceNSpice

Isn't the HQ-9 based on the S-300? And what is the Kvant?

FriedRiceNSpice

Isn't the HQ-9 based on the S-300? And what is the Kvant?

FriedRiceNSpice

Opps. I didn't mean to post twice.

vincelee

the Kvant was the active array the Ukranians were peddling at some defense expo. Dickhead Fisher was there and talked to the booth, and they told him, in one way or the other, the radar on the 052C is theirs.

Of course Fisher probably doesn't know that the Kvant ONLY EXISTS ON PAPER.

tphuang

so is 052C using APAR or not? If it truely implements kvant, then it it should be APAR, right?

vincelee

probably not.

Let's put it this way, the USN is going to field their APAR with DDX. the Europeans are putting APARs on their newest air warfare destroyer, and you think the PLAN has an APAR out already? GaAs isn't exactly cheap to make.

swimmerXC

interesting article, then again this could be bia against china

China's North American spy mission pays off
By Judi McLeod
Wednesday, August 24, 2005

Toronto--The first spy mission payoff for the People's Republic of China was boldly displayed earlier this summer when China put its new missile destroyers out on public view.

China’s military disclosed that its two new warships are equipped with Aegis-style battle management systems–admittedly stolen from the United States.

Undergoing sea trials since July, the two Luyang II missile destroyers are Beijing’s first Aegis-type ships. Now that they have the American technology in hand, there will be more to come.

"U.S. intelligence officials say China stole the technology for the Aegis battle management system by setting up a front company in the United States that became a subcontractor for the Aegis system manufacturer." (East-Asia-Intel.com).

The Chinese also showed two other new guided missile destroyers, known as Luyang I.

Both types of destroyers are equipped with Russian military equipment and weapons, including missiles, as well as indigenous Chinese anti-ship missiles.

The four warships are part of China’s military buildup that U.S. officials say is designed for more than just a Taiwan conflict. The Chinese are building a deep-water navy able to project power--especially against the United States.

The Chinese military’s display of destroyers with stolen technology follows directly on the heels of the war games China has embarked upon with Russia.

China’s entrée into war games predates 9/11 by only one month. On August 11, 2001, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) entered maneuvers, considered the largest military exercises ever held in a 52-year history. The announced aim of this strategy was to "simulate" an invasion of the Taiwan-controlled Penghu Islands (Pescadores), halfway between the Fujian coast and Taiwan as the first stage of a major operation against Taiwan.

"These war games involved at least 100,000 elite PLA troops from units in Zhejiang, Fujian and Guangdong provinces; hundreds of fighters; dozens of naval vessels and a good number of air defense and 2nd artillery (Strategic Missile Troops) units." (NewsMax.com, August 2001).

Western military experts have long comforted themselves by pointing out the weakness and aging warships of the PLA Navy (PLAN).

Their comfort level took a nosedive on July 19, 2005.

Meantime media reports raising the alarm about the potential for danger because of the increasing number of Chinese spies operating as fronts in North American businesses seem to have failed.

The horse is now out of the barn.
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o fried, about burke having stealth features... look at that big steel mast behind the bridge....

IDonT

[QUOTE=FriedRiceNSpice]The Burke does appear to have some stealth features:

But the 052C appears far more stealthy.


If you look at the 052C's mast, those radar domes betray its stealthy shape.

The Burke has a very reduce radar signiture compared to its size. So to a regular surface search radar, it looks like a fishing boat.

chinawhite

IDont please dont quote pictures

MIGleader

if hit from certain angles, these domes will deflect radar. thats why they are there .