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bd popeye · 08-30-2005

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Which ship would your rather be? An Arleigh Burke with 8 Sunburns coming, or a Sovremenny with 8 harpoons or TASM coming?

An Arliegh Burke of course. I know the systems on those ships work. After 9-11-2001 Tico's and A/B's were used for air defense of the US.

As we know USN ships never would operate alone in any combat situation. So a one on one confrontation between a 52C & A/B would probaly never happen.

tphuang · 08-30-2005

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Originally Posted by IDonT

Hmm, a salvo of 8 supersonic missiles huh. Aegis was designed to neutralized the Soviet Union Backfire regiments that were firing massive numbers of AS6 missiles that have mach 3 speed. 8 missiles are a drop in the bucket.

Do you ever wonder why the US never bothered with them? At mach 2, it takes roughly 30 seconds to cross the horizon. Can your missile giudance system tell the difference between 1 Burke destroyer, 6 Chaff clouds, 3 Floating decoys, 1 helicopter emmiting the radar signiture of the a destroyer within 30 seconds? Further more, the missiles' bulk and speed gives it a very narrow flight path and detection radius. It can't manuever as great as a subsonic missile.

The Mk 41 vls can fire ALL of its standard missiles at the SAME TIME. The maximum number that can be guided by the Burke is classified but its greater than 16 (2 per missile). Then add ESSM and Phalax just in case.

considering that the Chinese Aegis defense system is supposedly stolen from the Americans, I think it has to be based on something good, so it can potentially have good tracking software. We don't know. Also, nobody knows exactly the accuracy of YJ-85 against moving targets, but we do know it's range.

vincelee · 08-30-2005

"How do you pre-program an evassive actions when you do not know ahead of time how a target ship will react?"

do you really need to know? tracking principles of the SM-2/SPY-1 is well known, and the attacking missile has the initiative. I can be blind and deaf, but all I have to do is to run around in random order and I'm pretty sure that'll give the defender a harder time.

MIGleader · 08-30-2005

An arleigh buek has a lower survivability chance. asuming both ships use aegis, the 52c would be able to shoot it's missles at a distance while staying out of range. and it wouyld be detected later due it's stealth feature. the burke has no stealth! if both ships ran out of missles, the 52c would win due to its faster firing guns.

FriedRiceNSpice · 08-30-2005

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Originally Posted by MIGleader

An arleigh buek has a lower survivability chance. asuming both ships use aegis, the 52c would be able to shoot it's missles at a distance while staying out of range. and it wouyld be detected later due it's stealth feature. the burke has no stealth! if both ships ran out of missles, the 52c would win due to its faster firing guns.

The Type 052C does not use Aegis. Aegis is an American system, and only used on ships built by the Americans or built with American assistance. The US does not give such technology to the PRC. It is also unlikely that Israel or any other ally of the PRC had Aegis technology to give to the PRC. Maybe you mean the 052C uses technology that are supposed to perform the same role as the Aegis, or technology equivalent to the Aegis.

MIGleader · 08-30-2005

yes, thats what I meant

FriedRiceNSpice · 08-30-2005

We have no idea on how the Chinese system is qualtively in comparisson with the Aegis system. The PRC does not release such data on its weapons systems. Thus, we do now known the capabilities, reliability, or performance aspects of the Chinese system.

BrotherofSnake · 08-30-2005

Is this Type 52 an A/B clone or Sovremenny clone?

MIGleader · 08-30-2005

go on the website please.

the 52 b does feature some of the weapons of soveremy like the grizzly air defence missle and top plate radar, but it's an indegedous design with mostly indegedous systems.

52c is an almost completely indegedous systems. it has nothing to do with sovremmenny.

BrotherofSnake · 08-30-2005

The Burke has a lot of stealth features. It has a radar cross section of a tug boat from what ive heard.

MIGleader · 08-30-2005

yeah right. no, the burke design was concieved in the seventies. they didn't have much stealth knolege back then. you must have heard about that new stealthy destroyer the navy made... it hasn't entered service yet.

IDonT · 08-30-2005

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Originally Posted by MIGleader

yeah right. no, the burke design was concieved in the seventies. they didn't have much stealth knolege back then. you must have heard about that new stealthy destroyer the navy made... it hasn't entered service yet.

The B-2 and F-117 were conceived in the 70's. Believe it or not, the fact is the Burke has a very low radar signitur.e

BrotherofSnake · 08-30-2005

The Burke is not 70's tech get your facts straight. The first A/B class was commissioned in 91. The Burke incorporates stealthy features such as slanted angles to reduce its radar signature.

IDonT · 08-30-2005

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go on the website please.

the 52 b does feature some of the weapons of soveremy like the grizzly air defence missle and top plate radar, but it's an indegedous design with mostly indegedous systems.

52c is an almost completely indegedous systems. it has nothing to do with sovremmenny.

052 C uses Ukranian Phased Array radar, Russian revolver VLS launcher, and a navalized S-300 Sam system. Not exactly indiginious.

FriedRiceNSpice · 08-30-2005

The Burke does appear to have some stealth features:

But the 052C appears far more stealthy.

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