Type 056 OPV/Corvette

Originally Posted by Mysterre

I'm betting the company that makes the launchers are selling the 8-round launcher cheaper than the 11-round launcher, even without the missiles. And in a ship like that, every kilo of topweight that you can shave off is a bonus. And as I said before, even with 8 rounds of HQ-10 this ship is now better defended than some DESTROYERS in the PLAN.

also don;'t forget HQ-10?/FL-3000 is fire and forget. where as HQ-7 is command guided and typically two shot per target and the tracking optical/radar is one target at a time.

also it wou;n't be hard to slave the 30mm auto-cannon with the whole ciws system. even it is manual it will benefit greatly from the cueing.

How much do you think this ship will cost? Here's a list of warship costs, the Sigma Class costs about $222 million a piece, while Danish Knud Rasmussen Class only $50million. Could this ship cost less than $80 million?

newwars.wordpress.com/warship-costs/

Originally Posted by donsoc

How much do you think this ship will cost? Here's a list of warship costs, the Sigma Class costs about $222 million a piece, while Danish Knud Rasmussen Class only $50million. Could this ship cost less than $80 million?

newwars.wordpress.com/warship-costs/

I think 056 would be quite cheap. Sigma class is inflated, it costs as much as a frigate. and with capability simuilar to a frigate.

my guess is way below 50 million $ unit cost. it uses almost all mature systems, and the total serial build would be large... also lower costs.

Originally Posted by i.e.

I think 056 would be quite cheap. Sigma class is inflated, it costs as much as a frigate. and with capability simuilar to a frigate.

my guess is way below 50 million $ unit cost. it uses almost all mature systems, and the total serial build would be large... also lower costs.

Sounds like a reasonable cost figure to me, particularly if they build a lot of them and do not get too fancy with the sensors or weapons fit...and from what we are seeing, they are not. Looks very capable for the mission it seems to be intended for, OPV.

This is the first version of the 056 Corvette, and to the best of my knowledge, the 4 ships will serve in HK.

I think it's too early to determine if a serial production run will occur, and if so, what improvements would be installed in later versions.

But I do think this ship would make a great export product. Assuming the $50 million cost figure, for the price of 1 x F-22P frigate, you can buy 4 of these.

Rumors that its cost is about 1/4 of a 054A, which is quoted between 1.6 and 2 billion yuan, so at most a 056 will probably cost between 60-80 million USD.

Originally Posted by hmmwv

Rumors that its cost is about 1/4 of a 054A, which is quoted between 1.6 and 2 billion yuan, so at most a 056 will probably cost between 60-80 million USD.

That is expensive by Chinese standard...

Anybody know what this panel thing is? Doesn't seem to look like a normal door:

Originally Posted by xiyanz

Keep in mind that they can simply have a 22-missile launcher and only load 8 missiles in there. Who says you have to fill up as many silos as your launcher provides, and fire all of them every year. I personally think that there must be some kind of space issue at the base of launcher that prevents the launcher from getting too big. Otherwise, why would you spend extra money to come up with a new smaller launcher instead of using the ones that they have installed on the varyag. They could just install the some one on the 056 and put how many ever missile they need in the launcher. As far as the weight issue goes, I highly doubt that's the reason which prevents them from installing a slightly bigger launcher. If you look the proportion of the launcher to the ship, the a little bigger launcher will hardly be an issue.

Oh, so you are one of those people who can eyeball the weight, deck penetration, deck strength, structural strength and internal weight distribution of the entire ship just from pictures, are you?

Anyway, your 'solution' is a non-solution. Because once you've designed the space to take a 22-cell launcher, it will have to take the weight, wiring, etc, even if you don't fill it up. And if you never ever actually build the missiles to put in the silos, then the structural and weight calculations and trade-offs no longer make sense... and we are back to square one. This is especially significant for a ship of that size (1300-1500 GWT, give or take). And if you read them carefully you'll see that I give them a few years of life... shelf life of the missile, as opposed to some arbitrary one-year replacement cycle.

Anyway, you won't have to design a new launcher (and what makes you think a one-off design investment would cost more than the continuous cost of fitting a larger launcher on all ships of the class anyway? Numbers numbers numbers), because there already WAS a octuple launcher designed (and a quadruple one) from the very beginning, just as SeaRAM had smaller launchers designed from the get-go.

Originally Posted by no_name

Anybody know what this panel thing is? Doesn't seem to look like a normal door:

Taking a guess, perhaps a side vent or air intake with stealthy covering?

The models don't do it justice. It's looks like a mini-52B.

Originally Posted by Preux

Oh, so you are one of those people who can eyeball the weight, deck penetration, deck strength, structural strength and internal weight distribution of the entire ship just from pictures, are you?

Anyway, your 'solution' is a non-solution. Because once you've designed the space to take a 22-cell launcher, it will have to take the weight, wiring, etc, even if you don't fill it up. And if you never ever actually build the missiles to put in the silos, then the structural and weight calculations and trade-offs no longer make sense... and we are back to square one. This is especially significant for a ship of that size (1300-1500 GWT, give or take). And if you read them carefully you'll see that I give them a few years of life... shelf life of the missile, as opposed to some arbitrary one-year replacement cycle.

Anyway, you won't have to design a new launcher (and what makes you think a one-off design investment would cost more than the continuous cost of fitting a larger launcher on all ships of the class anyway? Numbers numbers numbers), because there already WAS a octuple launcher designed (and a quadruple one) from the very beginning, just as SeaRAM had smaller launchers designed from the get-go.

Yes, I am one of those who can see the sometimes obvious things without having to know the exact weight, deck penetration, captain's cabin, number of toilet seats.... There are many more much smaller OPV out there with much bigger top weight. No man, a few more missles and a slightly larger launcher won't do too much to the ship's stability. Sorry for being so simple minded. But sometimes things in the engineering world is just not as complicated and precise as people tend to think.

Forgive me for not being clear, I did not propose a solution. My entire post was to point out that it must be some kind of space issue or other concerns that lead to the installation of the 8 missile launcher. Otherwise, they could simply place a standard launcher on the ship instead of developing new ones.

Numbers, numbers, bummers, nobody has any real numbers for on the ship for the time being. What make you think a one-off design investment would be cheaper? Perhaps when the time comes, they will need a 22 missile launcher. That's why the navy always upgrade their ships every few years. Again I am not saying that the 8 missile launcher is bad for the ship. But, I am just not sure the reason they did it is to save the cost of having to fit 22 missiles in the launcher.

Originally Posted by Franklin

close up of the 30mm auto gun.

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Where is this 30mm located? I can't seem to see it on any of the existing pics of the vessel?

Originally Posted by joshuatree

Where is this 30mm located? I can't seem to see it on any of the existing pics of the vessel?

Both sides of the forward mast.