Type 052 (Luhu Class)

Originally Posted by Mysterre

The ones on the 054A are definitely hot launch. They're almost Mark 41 clones.

Clone ? .. I don't know about that

From this video, it probably is hot-launched (1:01): Type 054A FFG live-fire excercise and HHQ16 launch under ECM jamming - YouTube

Originally Posted by antiterror13

Clone ? .. I don't know about that

No need to get your feathers ruffled. I didn't say they were actual clones, as impossible as that would be.

Originally Posted by IronsightSniper

From this video, it probably is hot-launched (1:01): Type 054A FFG live-fire excercise and HHQ16 launch under ECM jamming - YouTube

The addition of "probably" is not necessary TBH. The central exhaust vent dividing the VLS module into 2 groups of 4 tubes is a dead giveaway.

I honestly don't know why the missile in the video appeared more than likely to be hot-launched, then.

My best guess would have to do with how the HQ-16 was designed than, as the Shitl is basically a box type VLS system to start with.

Originally Posted by IronsightSniper

From this video, it probably is hot-launched (1:01): Type 054A FFG live-fire excercise and HHQ16 launch under ECM jamming - YouTube

That vid is quite interesting in other ways as well.

During the HQ16 launching segment, we had a good look in the CIC of the 054A. In addition, it is confirmation that the 054A can and do use Ka31 AEW helos for detection (maybe also targeting) as one of the controllers shouted out: "helicopter has detected target at vector 060, range 180km'.

I think we need to be careful in thinking that the HQ16 has 180km range though, as that was likely just a result of the editing (and censors) and in reality, there was likely a longer interval after initial detection before they launched the missile.

Originally Posted by plawolf

That vid is quite interesting in other ways as well.

During the HQ16 launching segment, we had a good look in the CIC of the 054A. In addition, it is confirmation that the 054A can and do use Ka31 AEW helos for detection (maybe also targeting) as one of the controllers shouted out: "helicopter has detected target at vector 060, range 180km'.

I think we need to be careful in thinking that the HQ16 has 180km range though, as that was likely just a result of the editing (and censors) and in reality, there was likely a longer interval after initial detection before they launched the missile.

If detected by helicopter that should be anti-sub scenario, and that should be ASROC firing...but it's CCTV and gov't censorship here (they still won't allow expressly mention the outfit involved in whatever military activity that's broadcast on national television), so we might be seeing a splice-together work of anti-air and anti-sub scenarios.

Originally Posted by IronsightSniper

I honestly don't know why the missile in the video appeared more than likely to be hot-launched, then.

My best guess would have to do with how the HQ-16 was designed than, as the Shitl is basically a box type VLS system to start with.

HQ-16 is hot-launched from the 054A. The 054A's VLS is a hot launch type, just like the Mk 41.

Originally Posted by MwRYum

If detected by helicopter that should be anti-sub scenario, and that should be ASROC firing...but it's CCTV and gov't censorship here (they still won't allow expressly mention the outfit involved in whatever military activity that's broadcast on national television), so we might be seeing a splice-together work of anti-air and anti-sub scenarios.

That looked like an HQ-16 being launched. Besides, no VLA can reach out to 180km. If a sub were detected at 180km, only an ASW helo could make a kill that far out.

Originally Posted by Mysterre

The ones on the 054A are definitely hot launch. They're almost Mark 41 clones.

sorry misspoken I mean hot launch,
from the chatters, it looks like more and more of a concentric canister launcher type of system, which will be interesting as itwill be a first big scale deployment in this size for CCL.

Originally Posted by plawolf

That vid is quite interesting in other ways as well.

During the HQ16 launching segment, we had a good look in the CIC of the 054A. In addition, it is confirmation that the 054A can and do use Ka31 AEW helos for detection (maybe also targeting) as one of the controllers shouted out: "helicopter has detected target at vector 060, range 180km'.

I think we need to be careful in thinking that the HQ16 has 180km range though, as that was likely just a result of the editing (and censors) and in reality, there was likely a longer interval after initial detection before they launched the missile.

CCTV is notorious for splicing random video segments together. You can only judge shots independently as they may have no relation whatsoever which one another.

Originally Posted by Engineer

CCTV is notorious for splicing random video segments together. You can only judge shots independently as they may have no relation whatsoever which one another.

Well that's pretty much what I have been saying, especially wrt the 180km figure, as we have no idea how far away the target got before they fired the HQ16.

The piece itself is actually quite coherent. The helo taking off was indeed a AEW Ka31 (you can see the radar dish folded under the belly), and there can be no misinterpreting the crew member reporting that the helo has spotted a target 180km out.

On second thought, maybe there isn't enough there to positively say that the helo guided the HQ16 to it's target, but they definitely can use AEW helos on 054As, and the HQ16 is definitely hot launched.

I know for sure that the Buk missile, which the HQ-16 is based off of, has a maximum range (the latest variant) of 50 km. Given that the HQ-16 is slated to be a medium range missile, a similar range along the lines of the earlier Buk missile variants to the later variants would be the most logical assumption.

Originally Posted by i.e.

sorry misspoken I mean hot launch,
from the chatters, it looks like more and more of a concentric canister launcher type of system, which will be interesting as itwill be a first big scale deployment in this size for CCL.

It's not concentric canister launch. Whoever told you that definitely has no idea what he is talking about and should probably stop talking in general. As I keep saying, each of those VLS modules has a central exhaust port, just like the Mk 41. If the HQ-16 were canister-launched, you wouldn't need the central exhaust port. To presume that the HQ-16 is encased in a canister designed for concentric venting IN ADDITION to standard midline exhaust venting would be the height of absurdity.

Originally Posted by Mysterre

It's not concentric canister launch. Whoever told you that definitely has no idea what he is talking about and should probably stop talking in general. As I keep saying, each of those VLS modules has a central exhaust port, just like the Mk 41. If the HQ-16 were canister-launched, you wouldn't need the central exhaust port. To presume that the HQ-16 is encased in a canister designed for concentric venting IN ADDITION to standard midline exhaust venting would be the height of absurdity.

Don't be too quick with the put downs Mysterre, I read it as i.e's remark on CCL is wrt the new VLS on the 052C.

Originally Posted by plawolf

Don't be too quick with the put downs Mysterre, I read it as i.e's remark on CCL is wrt the new VLS on the 052C.

You mean the new 052D? Or what? We don't have any VLS photos of the new 052C's, which I presumed was because they were still just the revolvers.