This is a discussion on Type 052 (Luhu Class) within the Navy forums, part of the China Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by kroko How old is that first image that we saw? Only then we will know. I believe ...
When you look at the larger image, IMHO, the PAR is clearly flat and larger than the exisiting Type 052C or Carrier PARs. It would be nice to have more photos of this at various angles.
So now China is able to send man to space, shoot down satelite and even conduct an ABM mid- course interception outside atmostphere. So that mean UK who's not able to do so are crap in my perception, is it?
While China's space program has made some great achievements and is definitely something for us to be proud of, people need to stop deluding themselves by confusing lack of political will with lack of inherent technological capability. Space programs, especially manned programs, are expensive both politically and economically. But IMO if ESA and even JAXA had the will to institute such programs back in the day, they would be far ahead of where China is now. This scenario would have been much more likely if there were not a Cold War or if the geopolitical interests of Europe and Japan were (and are) otherwise not so closely aligned with that of the US.
Getting back to the 052C, it is difficult for me to imagine how you do NOT feel that the state of the art in UK naval technology is higher than that of China, but that is just where personal biases come through, and outside of concrete information which we in fact do not have, all we have left is "personal assumption and perception". Problem?
So let's say a 052C meets a Type 45 on the open seas, no other support, the 052C can shoot the Type 45 all it wants, the Type 45 can do what? Swear loudly?
I don't think anyone is saying Chinese naval technology is on par with British, but on a ship to ship basis the 052C is a more balanced ship, while the Type 45 is a product of compromises (technological, political, economical). The Type 45 is indeed a cutting edge dedicated air defense ship, the Sampson is something even the USN envy, however for a 8000+ ton ship to carry only 48 SAMs is rather embarrassing when compared with a Burke.
Last edited by hmmwv; 06-17-2012 at 02:49 PM.
Let's take this to its logical conclusion. The Type 052C fires 4 YJ-62's, hardly consistuting a saturation attack. The Type 45 shoots them down with ease. The Type 052C then makes a 180 degree turn and fires its remaining 4 YJ-62's, hardly constituting a saturation attack. The Type 45 shoots them down with ease. Now what is the Type 052C going to do? Swear loudly?
In other words, "could have" is irrelevent. With respect to ship building I don't think the Chinese are up to par with the west, but when it comes to Chinese space programs I have no doubt that China is significantly ahead of Europe and Japan in a large number of areas.
Last edited by Mysterre; 06-17-2012 at 08:12 PM.
CARRIER HAS ARRIVED! ^^