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Gollevainen

Well as I promised, here's illustration of my suggestions (which i described in the very begining of this thread)
I had some difficoulties to get the Type 730 CIWS to scale down properly, so it might be in bit wrong scale...but I think you can get the picture

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bd popeye

Nice design PLANEMAN...I would not want to work on the bridge though..You nuts could be fried by that fire control radar..A sailor could wind up with shriveled up nuts. Sterile in other words...unless of course you have some sort of sheilding under that radar..as I'm sure you will as do most warships

Otherwise I like the ship. I really like the placement of those stablizers. Makes it more seaworthy in case it has to travel in deeper waters.

What's your propulsion plant consist of?

3 minutes later..Golly I did not read your eairler post but why no VLS on your ship? saving space?

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Gollevainen

well You are most welcome to point out place for it

PLAN is a big fleet. Big fleets doesent have to overload their vessels. If they want a ship with frigate armament, then they should build a ship with frigate hull and dimensions. The idea is to build small compact patrol combatant and thats why I went for corvette size hull with normal patrol vessel/FAC armament+helo, making it more than match for Tarantul/Vita/Combatantte/Saar class fast attac crafts in their playground, thus giving it enough strength to be used as 2nd class major combatant in low-intensity conflicts/or battle zones.

So there isent any practical space for VSL and IMHO ship of this level doesent nesserily need one. Perhaps a net of those new TY-90 anti missile SAMs around the CIWS when (or if) the system comes operational...the ship is expected to face similar areal threat as any normal fast attack craft. They arent supposed to give air coverance for other vessels...

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Longaxe

How about integrating the missile launchers into the back of the hanger like this:



Five different slopes are combined into one; this reduces the RCS and increases usable deck space.

planeman

Very cool pics. At a guess your's looks longer than mine.. um, that sounded wrong but you get what I mean

If you really were into adding VLS for SAMs you could put them in place of the AAA beside the hanger, but that would mean adding more radars which would be a challenge in itself. As it is it looks well balanced, like a smaller Type-054a.

planeman

I guess now I know why sailors walk like they do.... um.. anyway, the radar placement is pretty typical so yes, shielding is a must.

The stablisers are a good point, the front and rear planes are movable allowing "active trim" which would be computer controlled. Combined with the wave-piercing bow, wide beam and not so high COG, I'm hoping for an extremely seaworthy hull compared to other 1,700t boats.

The powerplant would be four diesels which have a below-waterline exhaust with the various IR reduction methods discussed earlier. Much of the radar systems and similar 'hot' equipment would also be buried in the hull with IR suppression insulation etc and seawater cooling, below waterline cooling duct exhaust etc. So the boat wouldn't be that fast, maybe 28kts BUT, with the bow it would be able top sustain speed in heavy seas better than most other boats, or at least more efficiently.

planeman

A reconfiguration to increase weapons capability and stealth:


1. Switched the propulsion from four diesels driving two variable pitch props to three diesels powering an electric drive via a single 360degree steerable direct-drive pod mounted variable pitch prop. This would be the Chinese copy of the ABB Azipod system which is widely used on large container ships and cruise liners. It'd be MUCH quieter than other warships but not quite so fast (although you could use more pods) and have slower acceleration.

2. The main SSM tubes are now a 10m deep VLS which is 4.2m wide plus room for a hot-launch venting system. They are big enough to carry up to 8 (maybe 9) vertically launched YJ-62 missiles, allowing for a larger booster. I'd envisage only 4 missiles being carried in the routine wartime fit.

3. I've relocated the VLS for the SAMs (PL-12) to in front of the bridge and increased the number of 'blocks' (each of 8 missiles) from 2 to 4. The 2m wide by 6.4m deep blocks can be replaced by quad SS-N-29 units - the ASW version would simply carry 8 SS-N-29s and reduce the PL-12s from 32 to 16.

4. The relocation of the PL-12s allows the rear weapons points beside the hanger to place 30mm CIWS, based on the Type-730 but resembling the AK-630 to assist stealth - the fire control units would 'pop' out of stealthy doors half way up the main mast.

5. I've replaced the QW-4 point defence SAM launcher on top of the hanger but increased it to 12 rounds and given it a stealth 'pop-up' configuration.

6. A more subtle change which isn't easily discerned from the illustration is that it now has an "x" hull form which gives it a greater internal volume, as does the switch from a conventional hanger to a telescopic one.

planeman

mehdi

Hey planeman nice design.

crobato

I can only say wow. Sure put a lot of thought into this and it seemed like a very concievable ship to me.

planeman

I've initiated a warship concept/design contest over on ATS http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread237153/pg1 which, if it goes anything like the old aircraft concept contests should get five or six serious submissions. The end vote is always a bit random on there because most readers believe in the X-Files etc, but if Sino-defence put our heads together we could come up with some awesome design concepts and maybe gets some new quality members in the process(?).

The contest is themed around a Cruiser.

I'm not the only guy who can draw around here, Golly is pretty skilled for starters. Who's in?

Gollevainen

You mean our own SDF ship design contest or that we make a pre-election here in SDF to send suggestion to that contest??

Well I've started a long-lasting project to draw and design my own imagination fleet so I might include one of my designs into the contest...

A cruiser...does it need to be modern or can it be "vintage", for example like WWII or coldwar design???

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Scratch

I've two ... no three questions left regarding planeman's design.
1.) How big a crew is requiered to operate that ship ?
2.) What does it cost ?
3.) What's the name you give the ship ?

planeman

I was thinking more along the lines of forming ideas here and maybe coming up with two or three designs that we then post there, with sinodefence plastered onto them. This forum's strength is the technical knowledge of the members, which I've found compares very favourably to other similar forums. In fact, iran defence thingy forum is plane stupid in comparrison even though the topic is equally interesting IMO.

planeman

1. Ideally small, like 120, but given the PLAN, maybe 160.
2. Made in China = cheap, but the systems I've chosen aren't cheap by Chinese standards. Give me $100mm and I'll see what I can do for you
3. Previously "Sea Dragon" but if you buy one off me, you can call it whatever you want.