SinoDefence Forum

slackpiv

Thank you. But i would like to know whether or not Sino defence refers to the old Victor III or the improved Victor III.

tphuang

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...21/13404.shtml
They were initially supposed to construct the "093 project" submarine as an improved variety of the Soviet Victor III nuclear attack submarine equipped with the following major weapons:

* submerge-launched anti-ship cruise missile with a range of less than 100 km;

* anti-submarine missile with 40-km range.

It seems that the "093 project" equipped with HN-3B long-range LACMs is a greatly improved variety of Victor III.

Probably the PLA has no intention of constructing additional "093 project" submarines, which belong, in general, to the world level of the 1980s.

MIGleader

newsmax is a redicoulous site. never try to obtain any hints about unclear info from it, cause its bound to be false. it sounds liek some russian wrote this. no more 93s? a third ones in construction as we speak. its gone far mroe modern that the original 1980s specs called form this guy seems to be putting faith in kilos, but they can only take you so far.

slackpiv

That artical's over 3 years old.
[QUOTEits gone far mroe modern that the original 1980s specs called form .[/QUOTE]

Evidence? So far all sources point to the same direction, Compares favorably to the Victor III with advanced weapon system. however, i woudln't be surprised if the submarine performs the same role as the Russian Oscar class.

darth sidious

slackpiv

the 093 maybe more oriented toward attacking large surface target then a purely asw weapn

china can relie on its numerous SSK for asw

slackpiv

agreed, thus the reason i stated that the 093 might turn out to be similar in role as the OSCAR class. However SSKs are inefficient in ASW missions due to their lack of endurance and speed. And ASW is an area where China needs to improve.

darth sidious

thats beacause in the past all of chinas enemy has a weak submarine force

the Taiwanese has some WWII age submarine one kilo is enough to hunt them down

if a war breaks out over taiwan then the ssk will most likely to swamp the asw befence through a mass missile attack

the current udaloy deal with the russians should help to improve asw ability

slackpiv

The Russians submarine force was at the time of their height almost on par with the USN. SSKs have very limited ASW capability due to their lack of speed.

darth sidious

Russian ssk will not launch a sea born invasion on china

also most of the Russian sub in the 60s.early 70s are very NOISEY

and not hard to track

slackpiv

By standards now yes. Standards back then not as so. However they were still a lot quieter than the HAN. And exactly with wat was China going to track them with? Of course Russian ssks will not launch a sea born invasion of China. I doubt any country will have the resolve or stupidity to invade China.

MIGleader

actually, the han is alot quiter thna 60s era soviet subs, not to mention safer. it features french sonar, and anechoic tiling. but its still really noisy. russian subs in the 60s were big and loud, and ususally were shadowed anywhere they went, from the sea of oskotsk to cuba. soviet ssks however, were much quieter than their nuclear counter parts. at the time of its release, the kilo was the quitest and most advanced ssk in the worlds. now, its lost some of its edge to europe, but its weapons armaments give it an edge.

slackpiv

Nope the HAN (before the refits, which really didn't do much) is considered to be the noisiest SSN ever built. Even noisier than the Nautilus.

MIGleader

and here is time when i ask you for proof. i mean sites. ive never heard of the noisiest sub, simply "among" the noisiest.

darth sidious

the noverber class is the noisiest submarine

the han has a better hull design and only one reactor

the november has two very noisey reactor and numerous flood holes along the hull

single screw is also less noisey the the wo on the november

the han is more on par with the early victory class

IDonT

Please provide proof before you make such broadstroke comments.

The HAN subs rarely go to sea, and when they do, they are track on their entire route.