PLAN's first Carrier Strike Fighter the J-15 Flying shark

AFAIK su-33 hasnt been upgraded since soviet era.

Yes, as such they are surely not comparable to the MKI, esp. since they lack TVC !

As far as I know - and also reported by the one and only "Flanker_man" at the Key-Forum, the Su-33 received a minor update (which was actually published with a lot of hype in some Russian media) mostly related to some new RWR noticable on the wing's leading edges.
Otherwise in regard to their avionics they are not even SM-standard ans as such at best comparable to the venerable, regular Su-27 in RuAF service.

Deino

Originally Posted by Deino

Yes, as such they are surely not comparable to the MKI, esp. since they lack TVC !

As far as I know - and also reported by the one and only "Flanker_man" at the Key-Forum, the Su-33 received a minor update (which was actually published with a lot of hype in some Russian media) mostly related to some new RWR noticable on the wing's leading edges.
Otherwise in regard to their avionics they are not even SM-standard ans as such at best comparable to the venerable, regular Su-27 in RuAF service.

Deino

also don;t forget the bigger wing area and bigger Leading edge root extensions.

btw just found out got banned at key-forum.

Originally Posted by i.e.

also don;t forget the bigger wing area and bigger Leading edge root extensions.

btw just found out got banned at key-forum.

Wow that sucks.

Wrt to buddy refueling, does the planaf or plaaf have such a system? I can't imagine it would be too difficult to develop though...

Originally Posted by MwRYum

That'd take at least one jet off the pack for the strike package, consider the capacity of the Varyag that's not a good news by all means.

The Varyag is capable of carrying up to 24 or more J15s (if the PLAN wants to), so having a couple operate in a buddy store role for the formation of the strike group is not so terrible an anty to pay for the potential capability it could give, particularly when those buddy store aircraft can then land and be reconfigured for the air defense role.

Originally Posted by Bltizo

Wow that sucks.

Wrt to buddy refueling, does the planaf or plaaf have such a system? I can't imagine it would be too difficult to develop though...

can;t believe the pro-"particular nation" slant over there...
but anyways,..,

yes I saw an system once.
same set up from from UK's Flight Refuelling Ltd.

Originally Posted by Centrist

I don't think the J-15 is on par with the F-18E. It is much better than the Su-33 though. I doubt that the engines, avionics, radar signature reductions (if there are any) on the J-15 are near F-18E level. I would hold off on that until we know more.

The avionics comparison will have to depend on the AESA radar installed on the J-15.

Radar signature reductions are not visible on the J-15 airframe (for example, no canted vertical stabilizers), but it is very possible that a certain level of RAM has been applied (like the J-11B airframes).

The WS-10A engines initially used on the J-15 provide more thrust than the F414-GE-100, although it has a lower thrust to weight ratio (7.5 compared to 9). However, if the J-15 does use thrust vectoring engines in the future like the Chinese military official said, then it would offer a maneuverability advantage over the F/A-18E.

The Chinese military official that commented on the J-15 put its performance on par with the F/A-18E/F and the Rafale-M. Even though we don't know much about the subsystems on the J-15, the official's comments at least give us a general idea of its performance.

Originally Posted by SinoSoldier

The avionics comparison will have to depend on the AESA radar installed on the J-15.

Radar signature reductions are not visible on the J-15 airframe (for example, no canted vertical stabilizers), but it is very possible that a certain level of RAM has been applied (like the J-11B airframes).

The WS-10A engines initially used on the J-15 provide more thrust than the F414-GE-100, although it has a lower thrust to weight ratio (7.5 compared to 9). However, if the J-15 does use thrust vectoring engines in the future like the Chinese military official said, then it would offer a maneuverability advantage over the F/A-18E.

The Chinese military official that commented on the J-15 put its performance on par with the F/A-18E/F and the Rafale-M. Even though we don't know much about the subsystems on the J-15, the official's comments at least give us a general idea of its performance.

What do you think of the comment that the AESA used on the J-15 is an enlarged version of the one used on the J-10B? I ran across this bit of info when I did a translation of a Chinese forum post.

Also you didn't happen to quote Zhang Zhao Zhong when you said that a Chinese military commenter, right?

Originally Posted by siegecrossbow

What do you think of the comment that the AESA used on the J-15 is an enlarged version of the one used on the J-10B? I ran across this bit of info when I did a translation of a Chinese forum post.

Also you didn't happen to quote Zhang Zhao Zhong when you said that a Chinese military commenter, right?

It may be possible that the Chinese have developed different variants of one AESA radar rather than develop an AESA for each different fighter. These different variants would be configured according to fighter size, roles, and cost. However, the J-20 and other 5th generation fighter projects would have to use a more advanced one.

One of the military officials that commented on the J-15 was Lei Qiang: 雷强.

Originally Posted by SinoSoldier

It may be possible that the Chinese have developed different variants of one AESA radar rather than develop an AESA for each different fighter. These different variants would be configured according to fighter size, roles, and cost. However, the J-20 and other 5th generation fighter projects would have to use a more advanced one.

One of the military officials that commented on the J-15 was Lei Qiang: 雷强.

If Lei Qiang commented on it then it is probably very reliable. I wonder if he got to testfly J-15 before he retired.

Originally Posted by siegecrossbow

If Lei Qiang commented on it then it is probably very reliable. I wonder if he got to testfly J-15 before he retired.

You know this guy?

I never heard of him before.

Originally Posted by SinoSoldier

You know this guy?

I never heard of him before.

First person to testfly the J-10 mate! How can you not know him?

Originally Posted by siegecrossbow

First person to testfly the J-10 mate! How can you not know him?

Well, I'm not a persons guy. I'm more into the machines than the people.

Originally Posted by Jeff Head

The Varyag is capable of carrying up to 24 or more J15s (if the PLAN wants to), so having a couple operate in a buddy store role for the formation of the strike group is not so terrible an anty to pay for the potential capability it could give, particularly when those buddy store aircraft can then land and be reconfigured for the air defense role.

Can it include a few more J-15 in storage hangars?

Originally Posted by FarkTypeSoldier

Can it include a few more J-15 in storage hangars?

This class carrier is technically capable of carrying more, however I doubt that they will max it out to that extent because there are other missions and roles that various helos (SAR, ASW, and AEW) will work at, and potential other fixed wing aircraft at some point that may operate off of her. So, though they could feasibly carry up to 36 maybe, I doubt they would ever carry more than 24, and probably will normally carry less than that (12-18).