PLAN submarines Thread II

[franco-russe]

PLAN has taken another page from the Russian Navy book: Russia still, as the Soviet Union before her, conducts her torpedo research and tests at Lake Issyk-Kul in Kirgizistan, where they have even stationed a MUNA class 700-ton trials ship OS-213 ANDREY LEZHIN (built Rybinsk 1980, evidently in sections to be assembled at the lake).

I.a. because of this recluse location the were quite successful in keeping the existence of the Shkval 200-knot rocket torpedoes secrets until the break-up of the Soviet Union, even though ii entered widespread service in Soviet submarines as early as 1980.

[escobar]

324 mm anti-submarine torpedo

[i.e.]

Cool, but couldn't a computer simulations (perhaps done by a super computer) do the trick as far as testing?

Oh god if I can only post some charts here....

I have this beautiful introduction slide from a friend of mine who explains what is Modeling and what is real physical world.

believe it or not people who are in this business so often forgot the differnece.

[escobar]

Oh god if I can only post some charts here....

Why not ??

[Equation]

Oh god if I can only post some charts here....

I have this beautiful introduction slide from a friend of mine who explains what is Modeling and what is real physical world.

believe it or not people who are in this business so often forgot the differnece.

You can printscreen it from your computer and convert it to a pdf and put it in imageshack or some other host images website.

[escobar]

supposed to be pics of JL-2 recent launch





there are also a gif pic but i don't know how to get it.

[Lion]

supposed to be pics of JL-2 recent launch





there are also a gif pic but i don't know how to get it.

Looks small and shape seems not matching JL-2.. Are you sure they indicate its ICBM?

[escobar]

Looks small and shape seems not matching JL-2.. Are you sure they indicate its ICBM?

do you think it is a AShCM launched from sub?

[i.e.]

You can printscreen it from your computer and convert it to a pdf and put it in imageshack or some other host images website.

No .
I know how printscreen works.

[escobar]

Chinese submarine comes 2nd-to-last on Russian ranking

China's Jin-class submarine was ranked the second-weakest of ballistic missile submarines used by world powers, according to a list compiled by the Russian Arms Network.

The eight ship classes evaluated by Russian analysts were the Ohio-class submarine from the United States; the Delta, Akula and Borei classes from Russia; the Vanguard-class from the UK; Le Triomphant-class from France; China's Jin-class; and the Arihant-class from India.

The American Ohio-class submarine topped the list with 49.4 points. China's Jin-class sub received 30.1 points, putting it second-to-last on the list, followed only by India's Arihant, which was given 17.7 points.

Four categories were used to determine the quality of each submarine. First was firepower, including the number, deployment and range of missiles. Second was submarine construction, which took into account displacement and size. Technology made up the third category, while the last measured basic performance such as speed, endurance and loudness.

[antiterror13]

Chinese submarine comes 2nd-to-last on Russian ranking

China's Jin-class submarine was ranked the second-weakest of ballistic missile submarines used by world powers, according to a list compiled by the Russian Arms Network.

The eight ship classes evaluated by Russian analysts were the Ohio-class submarine from the United States; the Delta, Akula and Borei classes from Russia; the Vanguard-class from the UK; Le Triomphant-class from France; China's Jin-class; and the Arihant-class from India.

The American Ohio-class submarine topped the list with 49.4 points. China's Jin-class sub received 30.1 points, putting it second-to-last on the list, followed only by India's Arihant, which was given 17.7 points.

Four categories were used to determine the quality of each submarine. First was firepower, including the number, deployment and range of missiles. Second was submarine construction, which took into account displacement and size. Technology made up the third category, while the last measured basic performance such as speed, endurance and loudness.

I think it is about right ranking, in fact Jin should be the last as Arihant is not operational yet and not sure whether India has got the technology to develop effective SLBM.

It is very interesting to know the scores of the Delta, Akula, Borei, Vanguard and Triomphant

[Bltizo]

I wonder what 094 would come in terms of loudness, if other factors such as displacement and missile load were cut out.

Of course, that's assuming their analysis is any good at all. #ONI

[kroko]

Chinese submarine comes 2nd-to-last on Russian ranking

China's Jin-class submarine was ranked the second-weakest of ballistic missile submarines used by world powers, according to a list compiled by the Russian Arms Network.

The eight ship classes evaluated by Russian analysts were the Ohio-class submarine from the United States; the Delta, Akula and Borei classes from Russia; the Vanguard-class from the UK; Le Triomphant-class from France; China's Jin-class; and the Arihant-class from India.

The American Ohio-class submarine topped the list with 49.4 points. China's Jin-class sub received 30.1 points, putting it second-to-last on the list, followed only by India's Arihant, which was given 17.7 points.

Four categories were used to determine the quality of each submarine. First was firepower, including the number, deployment and range of missiles. Second was submarine construction, which took into account displacement and size. Technology made up the third category, while the last measured basic performance such as speed, endurance and loudness.

if this is accurate, its not a surprise. type 094 looks like a copy of soviet delta IV class from the decade of 70/80.

Regarding nuclear submarines, it seems china is still quite weak. Its very hard to catch up with others when, unlike in other fields, no one is willing to sell stuff to them.

[Bltizo]

^ looks on a sub are quite superficial I think. Just because it looks new or has "modern" features doesn't mean it is modern and capable. Vice versa is true too.

Remember they were judging this based on displacement and missile load too, and every SSBN apart from the Indian one has a larger missile count than 12. A more interesting judgement as I said before, would be to see how the Russians ranked the 094's loudness, but then again I have a feeling they probably went "meh probably louder than our deltas" and called it good

[kroko]

^ looks on a sub are quite superficial I think. Just because it looks new or has "modern" features doesn't mean it is modern and capable. Vice versa is true too.

Remember they were judging this based on displacement and missile load too, and every SSBN apart from the Indian one has a larger missile count than 12. A more interesting judgement as I said before, would be to see how the Russians ranked the 094's loudness, but then again I have a feeling they probably went "meh probably louder than our deltas" and called it good

You are right. looks on a sub are superficial. However, a submarine similar to a 30 years old design isnt a indication of good capabilities. Although things may not be that bad for china. Nuclear submarine tech hasnt advanced that much since the end of the cold war, for obvious reasons. nuclear subs arent much of use against rogue nations/terrorists. Thats why there hasnt been much investment in this area.

seawolf is from the decade of 80 and virginia is what, a 20 years old design. Even the new russian subs are designs from the last years of the soviet era, only now they have the funding to build them.