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PLAN sub appears close to the USS Kitty Hawk again?

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    PLAN sub appears close to the USS Kitty Hawk again?

    The latest NATO senior officials said recently the "Kitty Hawk" aircraft carrier to conduct military exercises in the Pacific, a Chinese submarine quietly and surfaced, appeared in the waters exercise center, appeared in the "Kitty Hawk" nearby.
    British media on November 10 pointed out that the Chinese navy's uninvited guest suddenly appeared in the United States Navy for military exercises in the Pacific area at the center, the U.S. military has accused the government threatened own baseline. Because, when the deployment of a Navy fleet for military exercises, the security of the aircraft carrier is treated very seriously.
    This may be Chinese Song-class submarines second to the "Kitty Hawk" into its range. A year ago the American media have reported that a Chinese Song-class submarines that October has been tracking the United States in the Pacific, the aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk, were not found in the range.
    The British Daily Mail newspaper said at least 12 warships on the aircraft carrier to provide a strong protection, while the world's only military superpower on the aircraft carrier also provide invisible protection of a shield to prevent any intruders.
    The article said that this was the one theory. Or that it is only a theory only. According to the latest NATO officials disclosed that the United States Navy in the Pacific held recently in a military exercise, an unknown Chinese People's Liberation Army submarines, the exercise center suddenly appeared region, the United States and around the site contains 4500 " Kitty Hawk "aircraft carrier.
    China set off the submarine suddenly surfaced, length 160 feet Song-class diesel-electric attack submarine. It is understood that the submarine had entered set off to China to the "Kitty Hawk" aircraft carrier launched torpedo or missile range. The senior official said that the incident is extremely shocking to the United States Navy.
    The article points out that Americans simply do not know China's fast-growing submarine fleet, has developed such an advanced level, or that the Chinese naval fleet has been constituted such a threat.
    A senior NATO official said that China's move submarines caused by the impact, "as the former Soviet Union launched the first artificial satellite, as the shock caused by the large." In 1957, the former Soviet Union launched the first man-made satellite, marking the beginning of an era of space.
    Both the British Daily Mail newspaper or NATO officials have not disclosed the specific time of the incident, only described occurred in recent days, its location for the southern Japan and Taiwan Island. The article pointed out that, but in such a sensitive region such an incident, the Pentagon, is a great embarrassment.
    Reporter retrieval to the "Kitty Hawk" recent actions of some information. Japanese media reported on October 21 reported that it had to leave Japan on the morning of Yokosuka in Kanagawa Prefecture U.S. military bases, started in the vicinity of Japan last task. According to the U.S. military sources, the "Kitty Hawk" will be November early in the coastal waters of Japan and the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force joint exercises, followed in December early return to Yokosuka.
    So, the Chinese submarine near the "Kitty Hawk" event, is probably the "November early" is also the most recent days. It is interesting that in the "Kitty Hawk" in the seas near Japan implementation of the last mandate, has once again "experience" Chinese submarine. It is learned that to the Yokosuka base for the Mother of the "Kitty Hawk" has been scheduled for May 2008 from retired U.S. military bases from the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier "George Washington" of succeeding.
    The British Daily Mail newspaper quoted the senior official as saying that set off a "lonely" Chinese submarines from the U.S. at least 12 warships right under the nose of the "slip", but this huge group of U.S. warships to maintain the shoulders " Kitty Hawk "aircraft carrier security tasks, so avoid encountered hostile aircraft or submarine attack.
    Even U.S. other expensive defense shield, which usually include at least two American submarines, it is obvious that China's failure to detect submarines. NATO sources pointed out that this experience had to seriously rethink the United States and NATO naval strategy, and operational command personnel from China to reconsider the potential threat level.
    At the same time, this incident also set off a tense diplomacy, "contacts", the astonished American diplomats want to know why the Chinese submarine "the same track as the shadow of" America's aircraft carrier fleet, while Beijing claims that totally ignorant, and describing possible only "a coincidence."
    Analysts believe that the United States and the West Beijing positive send a signal to display its rapidly growing military capability, for those who have attempted to interfere in its "backyard" pose a threat to the foreign forces. The British Daily Mail newspaper that the PLA is now home to at least two submarines capable of launching nuclear missiles. Song-class submarines and the advantage is that when it makes electrical motors, its silent function very well, it is difficult to be detected.
    British warships Jane's Weekly editor, former Royal Navy anti-submarine experts Sanders (Stephen Saunders) said that since the end of the Cold War, the United States targeted China Song-class submarines such warships, pay a relatively small concern. Sanders said: "For Americans, it is of course an alarm."
    Sanders said: this incident and we can see China is trying to link all want to do, it seems to be to stop the Americans in their backyard or interfere in the internal affairs operation, particularly in relation to the Taiwan issue.
    The Washington Times in November 13, 2006 reported that a Chinese Song-class submarines that October has been tracking the United States in the Pacific, the aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk, were not found in the range. Reports quoted the United States Department of Defense officials that the vessel Chinese Song-class diesel-powered submarines, October 26 cropped up when water from the Kitty Hawk and its battle group has fewer than five kilometers, of which the Kitty Hawk was a reconnaissance aircraft found.
    "Kitty Hawk" battle group, including an attack submarine and anti-submarine helicopters, warships are not responsible for the protection of submarine attack. The Washington Times say the Chinese submarine equipped with Russian-made torpedoes and anti-ship missiles. The report also said that, but the Chinese submarine has been rarely far from the Chinese coast in the deep-sea activities or tracking U.S. warships.
    Information, in May 1994 began the development of the Wuhan shipyard Song-class submarines, designed entirely on modern technology in an attempt to replace the previously built Ming-class submarines, the first boat F1998, the service still use the whale-shaped contour design, and sail Cover design still showed ladder.
    Another Song to class in Wuhan and Jiangnan Shipyard planned production, the modified model boats sail has been canceled hood of the ladder-like appearance design, and quite similar to France Augusta 90 B submarines modeling, this type of boat there are seven service and the United States Navy intelligence officials had in 1997 forecast the PLA Navy will be in 2005 with six Song-class submarines, and in 2010 has nearly 10.
    Song-class submarines underwater displacement of 2,250 tons, the crew of about 60 people, with four German-made MTUl2V493 type diesel engine, the assembly AIP PEM fuel cell propulsion system, submarines operating depth 300 m, floating aircraft speed 15, the greatest speed sail 22, the installation of a new boat Nigeria-seven-sickle propeller, drape the upper deck with silencers watt device.
    Song-class submarines, weapons and equipment for the six 533 mm torpedo launchers, capable of launching anti-submarine torpedoes fish -5 - ﹑ fish-4 anti-ship torpedoes ﹑ homemade C-43 new Russian-made wire-guided torpedoes ﹑ TEST-7l type wire-guided torpedoes and New wire-guided torpedo-fish-6 - or US-made MK-48 type wire-guided torpedoes, making the first time the People's Liberation Army tradition-powered submarines have antisubmarine capability.
    Song-class submarines equipped with submarine-launched another eagle blow-1 anti-ship missile ﹑ and maximum range of 20 kilometers long Ying-1 submarine-launched anti-submarine missiles, the future will be equipped with eagle hit -82-submarine-launched anti-ship missiles, its water under attack from the enemy ship was extended to 100 km, and strengthen its long-range strike capability, but said this type of boat are still many key technologies could not break through, yet improve its overall performance
    --this article come from chinese internet ( sina.com )

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    Re: Chinese submarine appeared in the "Kitty Hawk" again?

    eddit:
    please add one word "nearby" after the words"Kitty Hawk" at subtitle,I couldn't correct it.

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    Re: Chinese submarine appeared in the "Kitty Hawk" again?

    Sorry, saw something like this thread before. It was somewhere in the submarine thread.

    Could we carry on with the discussion in that thread rather than start a new one all together?

    Thanks.

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    Re: PLAN sub appears close to the USS Kitty Hawk again?

    Gents, the last time we discussed this subject some time ago the thread was closed because of a flame war that erupted. Let's not let the same thing happen again.

    Personally I remain skeptical until the USN gives an "offical" response to this story. Let's wait and see..shall we??
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    Re: PLAN sub appears close to the USS Kitty Hawk again?

    Do you think that response will be an honest one? Truthfully this sort of thing happens more than some may think (with several countries). I remember reading about the Russians launching Bears and flying with-in the carriers air space just to see the reaction. If the sub didn't want its presence known it would of never surfaced.

    But then again unless you were really there then who would know.

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    Re: PLAN sub appears close to the USS Kitty Hawk again?

    Do you think that response will be an honest one?
    Yes I do. The USN gave an honest response the last time. Also in 2000 when CV-63 was overflown buy Russian aircraft with no CAP response by CV-63.
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    The faith is strong in you shipmate.

    It all really depends on how the PAO (COMPACFLT or CNO) will play it... if it did indeed happen.
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    Re: PLAN sub appears close to the USS Kitty Hawk again?

    Quote Originally Posted by Interested View Post
    It all really depends on how the PAO (COMPACFLT or CNO) will play it... if it did indeed happen.
    What's getting intresting now is that it has been 3-4 days since this "Incident" and still no word from the USN.

    Perhaps the USN is forumlating it's response.

    I'm beginning to think this did occur simply because there's no word from the USN.
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    Re: PLAN sub appears close to the USS Kitty Hawk again?

    Quote Originally Posted by bd popeye View Post
    What's getting intresting now is that it has been 3-4 days since this "Incident" and still no word from the USN.

    Perhaps the USN is forumlating it's response.

    I'm beginning to think this did occur simply because there's no word from the USN.
    Indeed. That, and the fact that not even individual sailors are even speaking of, not even in whispered tones, adds to its plausibility. I won't rule out that Fu got this right by saying that it comes from unverified sources, but the fact is that at least half a week - maybe rather more - has gone by and there has not even been a denial that the incident even occurred. Strange.

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    Re: PLAN sub appears close to the USS Kitty Hawk again?

    Quote Originally Posted by bd popeye View Post
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    I'm beginning to think this did occur simply because there's no word from the USN.
    Popeye, in case I read what U say wrongly, are U saying it's more likely to be true due to the silence of USN ? Does USN have a habit of coming out to deny rumours ?

    For whatever it's worth, there's mention in DefenceTalk forum that unsubstantiated info from Gertz's discussion group that the sub got closer this time. Maybe this is causing the USN to respond to this differently from last time, in terms of making public statements.

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    Re: PLAN sub appears close to the USS Kitty Hawk again?

    If this is true, I wonder if the PLAN has also run newer subs like the Yuan or Shang near our carriers?

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    Re: PLAN sub appears close to the USS Kitty Hawk again?

    Quote Originally Posted by Schumacher View Post
    Popeye, in case I read what U say wrongly, are U saying it's more likely to be true due to the silence of USN ? Does USN have a habit of coming out to deny rumours ?
    It's been my experience when the USN has made a mistake or be embarrased in some way they will hedge a couple of days to get the story correct or put their own spin on the story.

    Now if an accident had occuried you would hear the story almost immediatley. Espically if there was loss of life.

    If this story of the PLAN once again stalking CV-63 is true it would be a great embarrasment to the USN.

    I'm still waiting for the USN to say anything about this incident.
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    Re: PLAN sub appears close to the USS Kitty Hawk again?

    Rumor from CDF says this was a rehash of the previous incident insidiously planted in the news by Lockeed Martin in support of some P-3 related thingy in the recent appropriations session in Congress. The timing, lack of date, lack of citation of previous incident all support this.
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    Re: PLAN sub appears close to the USS Kitty Hawk again?

    I did a little online searching and found that the first PLAN sub "found" the Kitty Hawk about one year ago....Curious....Now one year later the same thing happens again???? Humm?? Makes me think...
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    Re: PLAN sub appears close to the USS Kitty Hawk again?

    The PLA just lauded a sub commander of the East Seas Fleet for penetrating escorts against a naval task force in a training exercise late fall. Seems like a remarkable coincidence. But it does appear there are pictures of the PLAN conducting an ASW exercise. Both info courtesy of the CDF.
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