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    PLAN invited to participate in RIMPAC for first the time (2014)

    The People's Republic of China has been invited to have the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) participate in RIMPA for the 1st time in 2014, and apparently plans to attend. (See the Pacific Journal News Article).

    RIMPAC 2014

    (See the US Navy Times Article: PACOM supports China invite to RIMPAC 2014)


    RIMPAC VESSELS 2012

    RIMPAC is a multi-national naval exercise held every two years by Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet (PACFLT), that takes place in and around the Hawaiian Islands involving nations with maritime interests in the Pacific Rim. RIMPAC is a unique training opportunity that helps participants foster and sustain the cooperative relationships that are critical to ensuring the safety of sea lanes and security on the world's oceans. It has been held regularly since 1971.

    RIMPAC 2014 will be the 24th event and is anticpated to be the largest RIMPAC exercises in history. Larger than RIMPAC 2012, which to that date has been the largest.

    In 2014, for the first time in history, the People's Republic of China has been invited to participate in the exercises, though because of sensitive defense related issues and associated legal restrictions, the PRC role will be limited to less sensitive exercises, like disaster relief.

    US law prohibits the U.S. military from any military exercises with the PRC if it could possibly, “create a national security risk due to an inappropriate exposure” to technology, sensores, armaments, control, etc., including joint combat operations.

    However, there is an exemption for operations or exercises related to search-and-rescue and humanitarian relief. The Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) participated with the US Navy in 2012 in a counterpiracy drill.

    Lieutenant Colonel Catherine Wilkinson, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said China’s participation in RIMPAC would adhere to US law and said that precautions had been taken by the Navy in drills to avoid revealing sensitive information.

    “The US Navy has operational security safeguards to protect US technology and tactics, techniques and procedures from disclosure,” Wilkinson said.

    Nations expected to participate in the exercises in 2014 include:

    United States
    United Kingdom
    Japan
    Republic of Korea
    Australia
    Canada
    Chile
    Colombia
    France
    India
    Indonesia
    Malaysia
    Mexico
    Netherlands
    New Zealand
    Norway
    People's Republic of China
    Peru
    Republic of the Philippines (1st time was in 2012)
    Russia (1st time was in 2012)
    Singapore
    Thailand
    Tonga

    Generally, the largest participant is the United States who normally sends a carrier strike group to the exercises consisting of one nulcear powere aircraft carrier, an AEGIS cruiser, two AEGIS destroyers, one or more guiided missile frigates, one or more nuclear attack submarines, and replenishment vessels. The US Navy may also elect to send vessels constituting part of its Amphibious Ready groups as well. Other nations contribute surface combatant and submarine vessels as they are able. In 2012 forty-two surface vessels, six sumbmarines and over two hundred aircraft were involved with over 25,000 personnel from 22 different countries. In 2012, the US Navy debuted its noew P-8 Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft at the exercises.


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    Re: PLAN invited to participate in RIMPAC for first the time (2014)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Head View Post
    In 2014, for the first time in history, the People's Republic of China has been invited to participate in the exercises, though because of sensitive defense related issues and associated legal restrictions, the PRC role will be limited to less sensitive exercises, like disaster relief.

    US law prohibits the U.S. military from any military exercises with the PRC if it could possibly, “create a national security risk due to an inappropriate exposure” to technology, sensores, armaments, control, etc., including joint combat operations.

    However, there is an exemption for operations or exercises related to search-and-rescue and humanitarian relief. The Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) participated with the US Navy in 2012 in a counterpiracy drill.

    Lieutenant Colonel Catherine Wilkinson, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said China’s participation in RIMPAC would adhere to US law and said that precautions had been taken by the Navy in drills to avoid revealing sensitive information.

    “The US Navy has operational security safeguards to protect US technology and tactics, techniques and procedures from disclosure,” Wilkinson said.
    is russia subject to the same limitations as china is in this exercice? other nations also?
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    Re: PLAN invited to participate in RIMPAC for first the time (2014)

    -mind blown-

    I heard about the RIMPAC invitation a while ago, but not that the PLAN would attend... This is quite massive news.

    Considering just how comprehensive RIMPAC is as an international exercise, it was certainly an act of... good faith and chivalry for the US to invite the PLAN. The two countries and their militaries of course are competitors in many ways and field systems designed to counter each other's capabilities, but naval power is so intrinsic to other aspects of the globe such as keeping SLOCs safe from piracy, non state actors, not to mention disaster relief.

    Although if the PLAN are limited to less significant non-military roles I wonder what ships they could send while giving off a good impression. Maybe an 071 and a frigate, to keep things subtle.
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    Re: PLAN invited to participate in RIMPAC for first the time (2014)

    Quote Originally Posted by kroko View Post
    is russia subject to the same limitations as china is in this exercice? other nations also?
    I imagine any other nations that are not either alliance partners, or at least treaty signators with the US have some level of restriction as regards to participating in joint military exercises.

    This is understandable, particularly if there is the potential for any military conflict due to disagreements with either the US or its allies...which tere are those possibilities.

    However, as was shown with the anti-pitrating exercise, some level of naval participation is available.

    As far as I am concerned, any level is a start and can progress to more later as trust and cooperation are acheived.
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    Re: PLAN invited to participate in RIMPAC for first the time (2014)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bltizo View Post
    -mind blown-

    I heard about the RIMPAC invitation a while ago, but not that the PLAN would attend... This is quite massive news.
    Yes, I too had kept track of the invitation, but this particular paragraph in the Pacific Journal News was the key one:

    Quote Originally Posted by Pacific Journal News
    The Honolulu Star-Advertiser reports the Honolulu-based U.S. Pacific Fleet sent a formal invitation to the People's Liveration Army Navy in January, following an announcement by then-U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta in September that China would be invited to send a single ship to RIMPAC. The newspaper reports a Pentagon spokeswoman said China told U.S. officials last month that it planned the participate in the 2014 RIMPAC.
    That's pretty amazing and I hope it leads to a future of less apprehension and mistrust, and more cooperation over time.

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    Re: PLAN invited to participate in RIMPAC for first the time (2014)

    Great news for the PLAN.. will we see the Liaoning at RIMPAC 2014? I hope so.
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    Re: PLAN invited to participate in RIMPAC for first the time (2014)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Head View Post
    Yes, I too had kept track of the invitation, but this particular paragraph in the Pacific Journal News was the key one:

    The Honolulu Star-Advertiser reports the Honolulu-based U.S. Pacific Fleet sent a formal invitation to the People's Liveration Army Navy in January, following an announcement by then-U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta in September that China would be invited to send a single ship to RIMPAC. The newspaper reports a Pentagon spokeswoman said China told U.S. officials last month that it planned the participate in the 2014 RIMPAC.

    That's pretty amazing and I hope it leads to a future of less apprehension and mistrust, and more cooperation over time.
    I wonder if by single ship, does that refer to single warship and whatever auxiliary or literally one ship?

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    Re: PLAN invited to participate in RIMPAC for first the time (2014)

    071 LPD is probably the most appropriate ship. But considering the tragedy that took place last time, I'm not sure if its a good idea for PLAN to go. Battleship Trailer (No. 3) - IMDb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Head View Post
    That's pretty amazing and I hope it leads to a future of less apprehension and mistrust, and more cooperation over time.
    RIMPAC exercise has non-combat elements as well, though of course it's still unclear at what scope and level of participation is PRC being invited for.

    But in opposite to your optimism, all the China-bashing coming from the States Department and Pentagon several times per year will never lead Sino-US relations to the better future, and as long as that US law still standing, Sino-US cooperation will remain only skin-deep at best. Face it, US the sole ruling superpower will never allow another challenger, if they break the backs of the Japanese in the 90s, they won't cut China any slacks.
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    Re: PLAN invited to participate in RIMPAC for first the time (2014)

    I'm going to guess that the PLAN will stick with another 054A for now.
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    Re: PLAN invited to participate in RIMPAC for first the time (2014)

    China is only allowed one ship. And that one ship depends on how China views this opportunity. If the PLAN sees this as a mere display of friendship and increased cooperation, then sending a small ship would suffice. However, if the PLAN wants to take advantage of this exercise, then the aircraft carrier might even show up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshuatree View Post
    I wonder if by single ship, does that refer to single warship and whatever auxiliary or literally one ship?
    The statement is pretty clear; one ship means one ship. A carrier battle group can't be called a "single ship" just because it comprises of one carrier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanAsian View Post
    I'm going to guess that the PLAN will stick with another 054A for now.
    That's my hunch too. If it's strictly limited to one ship and only to search-and-rescue or humanitarian relief exercises, a type 054A frigate would be the ambassador best suited for those exercises. A Type 071 could as well but I really don't see CN feeling comfortable sending only one ship and it being a more high value asset without escort.

    As much as the article mentions precautions the US Navy will take from exposing too much, it's a two way street. CN doesn't want to be exposing itself too much either. Granted, many will say to the USN who is way ahead, there's nothing to hide it doesn't field but keep in mind, there are 22 other navies participating and some are regional competitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MwRYum View Post
    But in opposite to your optimism, all the China-bashing coming from the States Department and Pentagon several times per year will never lead Sino-US relations to the better future, and as long as that US law still standing, Sino-US cooperation will remain only skin-deep at best. Face it, US the sole ruling superpower will never allow another challenger, if they break the backs of the Japanese in the 90s, they won't cut China any slacks.
    That bashing is a two edged sword and it has been cutting both ways.

    The fact remains...the US invited the PRC to attend. It did not have to do that.

    It is something that at least provides an opportunity that would not exist if no invite had occurred. It was a proactive step taken by the United States It can lead to positive outcomes, even if taken only in small steps...which are better than no steps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SinoSoldier View Post
    The statement is pretty clear; one ship means one ship. A carrier battle group can't be called a "single ship" just because it comprises of one carrier.
    Fair enough but we can certainly not expect the Liaoning. Who sails a lone carrier without escort or auxiliaries nearby to a major outing?

    My question was directed more at whether a replenishment ship would be allowed to accompany chosen warship on that trip to Pearl Harbor, not so much of the replenishment ship participating in the exercises.
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