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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    The US isn't trying to make China raise the white flag, quite to the contrary. In reality, the US is doing what she can to both reassure allies by talking tough to China, while at the same time not too tough so Chinese leaders wouldn't have to escalate to placate their own citizens' nationalism run amok.
    If by all the talks and deeds up to the recent West Point Graduation speech and last week's Shangri-La Dialogue, the US did the first bit and failed miserably on the second bit. And it's either look like the US not realizing it, or that's exactly according to plan.

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    Don't be so damn impatient for a war with the US, because, quite frankly, China simply isn't up to it.
    Exactly, it's no secret that the US wants to engineer China's capitulation through warfare.

    Which is why China should make things clear by pull out of the RIMPAC exercise in protest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bltizo View Post
    I think you are being a little shortsighted, because the fundamental point of friction between china and the US won't go away in the short term, and that is whether china will be able to dominate East Asia the same way the US dominated and dominates the Americas. China wants a multipolar world, America seems intent on maintaining a unipolar one.
    You're right on fundamental friction between China and the US not going away in the short-run, but China doesn't need to battle the US to resolver its East China Sea security problems. I say that because Taiwan is the geographic key in Western Pacific for China, and with the province, China solves its ECS security dilemma.

    The South China Sea is actually China's Caribbean, and not the East China Sea. By controlling it, China links the Western Pacific with the Indian Ocean and become one of the few continental great powers in human history to also be a maritime great power.

    The disagreement with Japan at this stage is merely an organ of this larger body of disagreement.
    It's probably hard for peoples not in the immediate NE Asia area to understand the depth of loathing Chinese and Koreans have for the non-repentant Japan. What we're seeing today in NE Asia is another chapter in Sino-Japanese-Korean history over the last 1,500 years (or so), because the third Sino-Japanese war (1894-1895) never truly ended, and there was a lull from 1945 to a few years ago. And now, the interlude is ending and both sides are preparing for what comes next.

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    Exactly, it's no secret that the US wants to engineer China's capitulation through warfare.

    Which is why China should make things clear by pull out of the RIMPAC exercise in protest.
    I don't think the US is actively hoping for war, but I do believe that US strategists are starting to believe that their only remaining advantage against China is their military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MwRYum View Post
    If by all the talks and deeds up to the recent West Point Graduation speech and last week's Shangri-La Dialogue, the US did the first bit and failed miserably on the second bit. And it's either look like the US not realizing it, or that's exactly according to plan.
    America's plan is to walk a fine line between engaging China and reassuring her nervous neighbors, and no one is making the thankless task easy; not China, not Japan, not Vietnam, not the Philippines, and not hawks on all sides of the issue. On balance, US has done as good a job keeping the powder keg from exploding as one could reasonably expect.

    Exactly, it's no secret that the US wants to engineer China's capitulation through warfare.
    Your comment is unsupportable by facts or reason. To make China 'capitulate through warfare' means an all out war that else would make WWII look tame by comparison. Even if there are a few crazy people on all sides to want that course of action, there are far more adults on hand to babysit them.

    Which is why China should make things clear by pull out of the RIMPAC exercise in protest.
    China has made it clear beyond all doubt she's not happy with recent American comments vis-a-vis ECS and SCS, so what else could be gained by pulling out of RIMPAC? Besides, operating with mutinational navies in gigantic exercises benefits the PLAN as much as anyone else.
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    Let's not turn this into a discussion about "evil US" tricking China into their plans.

    This is a great opportunity for China to interact with other world navy. It's good for avoiding misunderstanding and building relationships. US has to support its allies in Asia. If Chinese leadership accepts that as a reality (which I think they should), then they can only gain by participating with other navy. They should expand their joint exercises with all navies. That's good for China and for world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MwRYum View Post
    That's why I say it's a waste of time, because the RIMPAC exercise scenarios China get to take part has next to no relevance to the upcoming war.
    MwRYum, you have been around here long enough to know that this is not only uncalled for...but not allowed.

    This thread is about RIMPAC 2014, not about geo-political relations. Not about war with the US.

    Stop interjecting such inflamatory rhetoric into a discussion about something that is a very good thing...a first time invite for the PLAN to participate in the largest Naval Exercises.

    Consider this a warning.

    Do not respond to this moderation.

    Stay on topic and follow the rules.
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    PLAN Ships Depart for RIMPAC

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    RIMPAC 2014

    Held every two years by Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet (PACFLT), RIMPAC 2014 is a multinational maritime exercise that takes place in and around the Hawaiian Islands.

    This year’s RIMPAC exercise, the 24th in the series that began in 1971, is scheduled from June 26 to August 1, with an opening reception scheduled for June 26 and closing reception August 1. Twenty-three nations, 48 surface ships, 6 submarines, more than 200 aircraft and 25,000 personnel will participate. Units from Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Columbia, France, India, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, the People’s Republic of China, Peru, the Republic of Korea, the Republic of the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Tonga, the United Kingdom and the United States will participate.

    RIMPAC is a unique training opportunity that helps participants foster and sustain the cooperative relationships that are critical to ensuring the safety of sea lanes and security on the world’s oceans.

    A soldier blows a whisle aboard China's hospital ship Peace Ark at a naval port in Zhoushan, east China's Zhejiang Province, June 9, 2014.






    Members of a special battle force stand on China's missile destroyer Haikou at a naval port in Sanya, south China's Hainan Province, June 9, 2014. The Chinese navy will participate in the Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) multinational naval exercises for the first time. A missile destroyer, a missile frigate, a supply ship and a hospital ship of the Chinese navy left for the United States on Monday to attend the exercises. (Xinhua/Hu Kaibing)


    Zhang Ronghua, captain of China's hospital ship Peace Ark, prepares for sailing at a naval port in Zhoushan, east China's Zhejiang Province, June 9, 2014.


    Pilots of shipboard helicopters stand on China's missile destroyer Haikou at a naval port in Sanya, south China's Hainan Province, June 9, 2014.




    PLAN ship Peace Ark crew-members bid farewell as they depart for RIMPACat a naval port in Zhoushan, east China's Zhejiang Province, June 9, 2014.


    China's hospital ship Peace Ark prepares to set sail from a naval port in Zhoushan, east China's Zhejiang Province, June 9, 2014. The Chinese navy will participate in the Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) multinational naval exercises for the first time.


    PLAN ship Type 54A 岳阳/ Yueyang (FFG-575) prepares to depart for RIMPAC at a naval port in Sanya, south China's Hainan Province, June 9, 2014.


    PLAN ship Type 903 replenishment ship 千岛湖 / Qiandaohu departs for RIMPAC June 9, 2014..


    PLAN ships depart a naval port in Sanya, south China's Hainan Province, June 9, 2014.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bd popeye View Post
    PLAN Ships Depart for RIMPAC






    Looks like they are all very squared away and eager to go to RIMPAC. I'm excited for them and also for USN the host.
    Gerry you ever participated in RIMPAC?
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    Looks like they are all very squared away and eager to go to RIMPAC. I'm excited for them and also for USN the host.
    Gerry you ever participated in RIMPAC?
    Nope... on Hancock in '75 we were scheduled to participate. But it all got cancelled because we had to haul butt to Vietnam and Cambodia for Operations Frequent Wind and Eagle Pull.

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    Good way of showing the flag. PLA-N is an impressive force from the looks of their naval assets and personnel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by advill View Post
    Good way of showing the flag. PLA-N is an impressive force from the looks of their naval assets and personnel.
    Yes. Very squared away.

    They will make a good impression in Hawaii at RIMPAC...at Sea and during the extra curricula activities that they have their on the islands.

    I'm looking forward to a BUNCH of pictures showing the PLAN exercising with the other naval forces there.
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    These were the vessels from RIMPAC 2012.




    Now...imagine the PLAN Hospital Ship, Rplenishment AOR, FFG and DDG in that picture too.
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    Re: PLAN invited to participate in RIMPAC for first the time (2014)

    Any news on what the JMSDF is sending

    Without a doubt in future much more flat tops will take part

    I say RIMPAC 2016 PLAN sends a full strength carrier strike package and JMSDF sends in a Osumi, Hyuga and Izumo Class flat decks plus Aussies send a full amphibious assault unit around the LHD Canberra and India throws in another carrier strike group just for good measure now that's extra 6 flat tops in the mix wow!!!!

    I am very much looking forward to the Chinese contingent in this years RIMPAC 2014 its a very good send by PLAN top of the line units are going very very good I can only say that it would be surpassed by sending a Type 071 LPD but four ships is still good
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    Quote Originally Posted by asif iqbal View Post
    Any news on what the JMSDF is sending
    Probably the Akagi, Kaga, Hiryu, Soryu, Shokaku, and Zuikaku.

    I am very much looking forward to the Chinese contingent in this years RIMPAC 2014 its a very good send by PLAN top of the line units are going very very good I can only say that it would be surpassed by sending a Type 071 LPD but four ships is still good
    Yes, it's good to see the PLAN in RIMPAC, and it should be a great time for all.
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    Re: PLAN invited to participate in RIMPAC for first the time (2014)

    Quote Originally Posted by asif iqbal View Post
    Any news on what the JMSDF is sending
    The JMSDF is sending an AEGIS destroyer, the Ise DDH, and thee P-3C Orions to RIMPAC 2014.



    Kongo Class AEGIS DDG, Kirishima, DDG-174


    Hyuga Class DDH, Ise, DDH-182


    3 x P3-3C Orion Maritime aircraft
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