PLAN Carrier Operations..News, Videos & Photos II

Originally Posted by Engineer

Once PLAN starts night time operation, it will realize the problem and starts adding lights.

I think a better question is does the Kuznetsov have this tail strip?

The answer is no.


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Originally Posted by Bltizo

I stand corrected -- I wonder why they chose it to be yellow instead of the same white colour as it is on deck.

Colour codes serve as a useful aid for the pilot. In this case, yellow indicates an area that's out of landing zone.

Originally Posted by Bltizo

Actually there must have been some degree of pilot input, not only because of the modified flight deck (and as condescending as what you said sounds, it isn't quite true because Liaoning's flight deck scheme isn't quite Russian or USN or Indian or French -- all the countries use different schemes to one degree or another. There is no "program".), but also the aft.

Diagrams have been published in the public domain showing standard carrier operational procedures. In fact I posted some time ago a diagram that explains the drop lights used on carriers. Did you miss it?



Maybe the PLAN saw my post and decided to make their modifications

Here's another piece of information the PLAN should take heed of: The Ouijaboard. they will have to use it if they want to play in the big leagues with all of the other big dogs

Oh and Nimitz class carriers do not have such a stripe running down the back, so it's not a matter of simply getting with "the program" but rather trialling what works for each navy and making the changes themselves.

The droplights are used mainly to assist pilots in night landings. Newer more promising methods such as laser landing aids are being phased in for the newer carriers. Have a look. Innovation and refinement for aircrew safety is constant in carrier operations

http://www.laserguidance.com/NavyTests.pdf

Originally Posted by no_name

Then they would only have to paint it once at the start, so I think there were some feed backs.

And it seems the original paint scheme was much closer to the Russian counterpart, so they were willing to challenge set standards and find out what works best for them.

If they follow the Russians they are on the path to carrier hell. After all the time the Russians have operated aircraft at sea they still do not coat their decks with non-skid nor use color coded jerseys for deck crew personnel. The Russians are hardheaded. And the Chinese seem willing to observe what works and adopt it. Smart move for the Chinese

Originally Posted by NikeX

If they follow the Russians they are on the path to carrier hell. After all the time the Russians have operated aircraft at sea they still do not coat their decks with non-skid nor use color coded jerseys for deck crew personnel. The Russians are hardheaded. And the Chinese seem willing to observe what works and adopt it. Smart move for the Chinese

the Russians use the Pri-Fly method of conducting flight operations..Officers in the Island high above the flight deck control the action. It maybe safer but it wrecks your sortie rate.

On a USN CVN Pri-Fly is where the air boss controls the flight deck...in a much different manner that the Russians.

Originally Posted by bd popeye

the Russians use the Pri-Fly method of conducting flight operations..Officers in the Island high above the flight deck control the action. It maybe safer but it wrecks your sortie rate.

On a USN CVN Pri-Fly is where the air boss controls the flight deck...in a much different manner that the Russians.

what's Pri-Fly o' mighty sith lord? pre-flight?

Originally Posted by Bltizo

I stand corrected -- I wonder why they chose it to be yellow instead of the same white colour as it is on deck.

colors on the deck and on the roads can have varying visibility, which can make a huge difference. i also hope they have some cognitive psychologist experts involved because as it takes 20minutes for human eyes to adapt to darkness, there's a lot more science in effect which all will be important in affecting the safety of everyone serving with the CBG.

Originally Posted by NikeX

Diagrams have been published in the public domain showing standard carrier operational procedures. In fact I posted some time ago a diagram that explains the drop lights used on carriers. Did you miss it?



Maybe the PLAN saw my post and decided to make their modifications

Here's another piece of information the PLAN should take heed of: The Ouijaboard. they will have to use it if they want to play in the big leagues with all of the other big dogs






The droplights are used mainly to assist pilots in night landings. Newer more promising methods such as laser landing aids are being phased in for the newer carriers. Have a look. Innovation and refinement for aircrew safety is constant in carrier operations

http://www.laserguidance.com/NavyTests.pdf

ouija board eh? if only the pieces really starts moving by itself....

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one more thing: i really like the approach that the PLAN is using for its carrier program. it shows a lot of really careful planning and organization as well as attention to implementing the carrier into its navy. this attitude can definitely train some really fine crew and perhaps revolutionize the entire PLA structure, thinking, and management as well.

Originally Posted by bd popeye

the Russians use the Pri-Fly method of conducting flight operations..Officers in the Island high above the flight deck control the action. It maybe safer but it wrecks your sortie rate.

On a USN CVN Pri-Fly is where the air boss controls the flight deck...in a much different manner that the Russians.

The Russians doesn't have that many carrier-certified pilots, neither got that much fuel and planes to operate at such tempo anyway, so they won't need to worry about sortie rate and instead keep the safety rate as high as possible.

Anyway, it'd be interesting which way China takes, though all things point to "learn-from-American" direction.

Originally Posted by airsuperiority

what's Pri-Fly o' mighty sith lord? pre-flight?

Well Padawan..

Pri-Fly = Primary Flight Control.

The USN CVN Pri-Fly is where the action on the flight deck is controlled. It sits atop the island. They observe everything and give instructions to certain crewmembers on the flight deck via radio.

The Russians move only a couple of aircraft at a time and use Pri-Fly to directly control the aircraft on deck without directors on deck..

Great article here on an USN Pri-Fly..

Pri-Fly: The Eyes in the Sky « Stennis74

Story by MC2 Heather Seelbach
Photo by MC3 Benjamin Crossley

Looking down from a lofty vantage point on the 0-10 level, a Sailor in a white jersey tracks an F/A-18E Hornet as it departs the flight deck. Another Sailor peers through binoculars to identify a plane as it comes in for landing.

These Sailors and their co-workers are hand-picked from Air Department to assist the Air Boss and the Mini Boss with tracking and identifying aircraft. They work in primary flight control, known as “pri-fly” or “the tower.”

When aircraft are embarked on the ship, pri-fly must be manned 24 hours a day, and during fixed and rotary wing aircraft operations, the Air Boss and Mini Boss occupy front row seats.

“It’s a very professional atmosphere,” said Aviation Boatswain’s Mate (Equipment) 3rd Class Jennifer Terry. “We get to work closely with two commanders [Air Boss and
Mini Boss] as well as representatives from each squadron.”

The squadron representatives are pilots who troubleshoot any unforeseen problems for each other and occupy pri-fly during case one (better than 5,000 feet of visibility) or case two recoveries (down to 1,000 feet of visibility).

Pri-fly Sailors are responsible for more than seven watch stations which they must qualify for by completing personnel qualification standards (PQS).

These watches include the tower supervisors, tower operator, ISIS operator, landing signal officer (LSO) platform spotter, record keeper and forward and aft spotters.

Aviation Boatswain’s Mate (Handling) Airman Chris Nollinger, the newest member of pri-fly, is currently working on his forward spotter qualification. He was recently recruited to V5 by his division officer.

“One day, my Divo came to me and said, ‘you’d be a good fit for V5,’ said Nollinger. “I interviewed with the Air Boss and Mini Boss, and they decided to bring me aboard.”

Proper training is essential due to the critical nature of the positions they occupy, said Terry.

“If the aft spotter miscalls an aircraft type and has the arresting gear set to the wrong weight, it can damage an aircraft, destroy the arresting gear wire or injure people on the flight deck,” said Terry.

In addition to the Air and Mini Bosses, pri-fly Sailors and squadron representatives, two watchstanders from V-2 also occupy positions in pri-fly during flight ops.

The abundance of personnel, tight quarters and fast-paced environment can get demanding at times, said Aviation Boatswain’s Mate (Equipment) Airman Quiana Bailey.

“The most challenging thing about working up here is multi-tasking,” said Bailey. “It’s crowded, and there’s a lot going on.”

Despite the hectic environment, many who work in pri-fly enjoy the air-conditioned, bird’s eye view of the flight deck.

Originally Posted by bd popeye

Well Padawan..

Pri-Fly = Primary Flight Control.

The USN CVN Pri-Fly is where the action on the flight deck is controlled. It sits atop the island. They observe everything and give instructions to certain crewmembers on the flight deck via radio.

The Russians move only a couple of aircraft at a time and use Pri-Fly to directly control the aircraft on deck without directors on deck..

Great article here on an USN Pri-Fly..

Pri-Fly: The Eyes in the Sky « Stennis74

Thanks bd, that gives us a little more sense of the very critical separation during launch and recovery operations, it is also complicated by the mix of fixed wing and rotary wing aircraft, and the V-22 which is a combination of the two. The airspace around the CV will be very congested during those operations, particularly recovery when fuel may be critical for multiple aircraft coming aboard, and recovery must be prioritized based on a triage approach.

to date,there's is speculation that China still unable to master naval nuclear power ship,there's report that one xia class may have suffer from core melt down. and according to US intelligent.most PLAN nuclear power u boat spend more time on shore than patroling on the high sea.
in fact,french government willing to sale nuclear reactor to China for her cV project.
remember this,even the soviet encounter lot of problem with there nuclear boat.

there's report that one xia class may have suffer from core melt down.

This was rumored to happen 40 years ago! Irrespective of this is true or not, it has no bearing on present development.