PLAN Carrier Operations..News, Videos & Photos

Originally Posted by bd popeye

Why does the PLA call everyone even "sailors' soldiers?" I've never understood that!

I think the word they use is 战士, which means 'armed personnel', just a general term for crew in an armed setting and loosely translated as soldiers.

Originally Posted by bd popeye

Why does the PLA call everyone even "sailors' soldiers?" I've never understood that!

They are called warriors to distinguish them from civilian "water hands". This distinction is necessary because in Chinese society the business of the state as performed by the warrior overrides the business of the civilians as perform by "water hands". A water hand would be the translation for the word sailor or seaman.

If you want the literal equivalent of sailor in contemporary Chinese, it would be Navy Warrior. This would be too much of a mouthful and so shortened to Warrior where the context is self-evident. In times past in the dynastic periods, fighting men on boats and ships would be called Water Soldiers. Soldiers on land would just be called soldiers.

Originally Posted by no_name

I think the word they use is 战士, which means 'armed personnel', just a general term for crew in an armed setting and loosely translated as soldiers.

and..by China Guy

They are called warriors to distinguish them from civilian "water hands". This distinction is necessary because in Chinese society the business of the state as performed by the warrior overrides the business of the civilians as perform by "water hands". A water hand would be the translation for the word sailor or seaman.

If you want the literal equivalent of sailor in contemporary Chinese, it would be Navy Warrior. This would be too much of a mouthful and so shortened to Warrior where the context is self-evident. In times past in the dynastic periods, fighting men on boats and ships would be called Water Soldiers. Soldiers on land would just be called soldiers.

Thank you so much! now after 7 1/2 years I finally know!

Originally Posted by Totoro

you misunderstood me, popeye, but that is okay. i was comparing total fuel per number of planes carried, that is all. i wasn't comparing ship-to-ship capabilities.

Also, didn't those schematics of kuznetsoc decks show that elevator shafts for weapons are positioned right next to the front end of the hangar? If hangar was lenghtened towards the bow, weapons elevator positions should have been changed. And such a change should be visible on the top deck. Is it? Where are the forward weapons elevators on liaoning?

edit: just found a clear, big pic from May where weapons elevators are clearly outlined on the deck. They are in the same spot as on Kuznetsov. So, if the hangar was lengthened it was done either 10 or 15 meters to the stern or towards bow but with the shaft of weapons elevator sticking in the middle of the hangar. The latter seems unlikely, to be honest.

Yeah the ammunition elevator is left in place, but it doesn't mean the hangar cannot expanded, the elevator will be in the middle but there are plenty of space around. You most likely won't be able to safely move J15 around it to the expanded areas, but it's not going to be a problem for helicopters or auxiliary vehicles. By parking those equipment in the smaller area valuable space in the main hangar can be saved to better accommodate fixed wing aircraft.

I think incorporating the space around the weapon elevators as part of the hangar is unlikely. As I have pointed out in post #4150, there is space astern for expansion of the hangar. Whatever got replaced can be moved to the space around the weapon elevators, and whatever got replaced around those elevators can be moved into the space used to taken up by Shipwreck missiles.

After proven wrong about their condescending critic that China will fail in developing carrier sub component. They still couldn't believe it and float the rumor of buying from Ukraine, Sweden or Stolen from Russia. Well no more rumor
'Liaoning ship's main systems and equipment feature independent manufacture and refit - People's Daily Online

Liaoning ship's main systems and equipment feature independent manufacture and refit
By Xiao Zhen and Gao Jiquan (PLA Daily)
08:19, September 29, 2012
'Liaoning ship's main systems and equipment feature independent manufacture and refit - People's Daily Online

Yang Yujun, spokesman of the Ministry of National Defense (MND) of the People's Republic of China (PRC), answered reporters' questions regarding China's first aircraft carrier "Liaoning Ship" at the regular press conference of the MND held on September 27, 2012 in Beijing.

Yang Yujun noted that China always adheres to the principle of independence and independent innovation in the development and construction of its military weaponry and equipment. The weaponry and equipment are developed and produced mainly by relying on China's own strength. All the systems and equipment of the "Liaoning Ship" of the Navy of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) are independently manufactured and refitted by China. Aircraft carrier formation is generally composed of the aircraft carrier itself, surface escort ships, submarines and carrier-borne aircraft. The Chinese military will seriously study and explore the composition of aircraft carrier formation in practice according to actual needs as well as the development and construction of aircraft carriers.

When speaking of carrier-borne aircraft, Yang Yujun said that on the basis of home-made aircraft, China's carrier-borne aircraft is independently developed with complete independent intellectual property rights. Related work is being advanced as scheduled.

Yang Yujun said that the successful delivery and commission of the first aircraft carrier marks the great achievements in the development and construction of China's aircraft carriers, but it is only the first step China has taken in the development and construction of China's aircraft carriers. The development and construction of China's aircraft carriers still has a long way to go and great responsibilities to shoulder.

When referring to the expenditure on the construction of the "Liaoning Ship", Yang Yujun said such factors as financial capability as well as needs for national security and development have been given full consideration in the development and manufacturing of China's weaponry and equipment, and all the expenditure including the manufacture of "Liaoning Ship" is included in the budget for national defense expenditure.

That should put to rest any question about who manufactured the propulsion units on the Liaoning.

at 600 ton of fuel,mean the CV are far more suited for a small single engine aircraft. after one sortie, it has to pull out and refuel.

Originally Posted by Engineer

I think incorporating the space around the weapon elevators as part of the hangar is unlikely. As I have pointed out in post #4150, there is space astern for expansion of the hangar. Whatever got replaced can be moved to the space around the weapon elevators, and whatever got replaced around those elevators can be moved into the space used to taken up by Shipwreck missiles.

That rearward expansion of the hangar sounds like a good idea, but I'm not sure what those rear spaces on the Liaoning will be used for; on USN carriers that area is used to test aircraft engines. They need the back end open so they can blast the engine full throttle without having to worry about blast damage.

Originally Posted by hardware

at 600 ton of fuel,mean the CV are far more suited for a small single engine aircraft. after one sortie, it has to pull out and refuel.

Where did this 600 ton number come from?

Totoro made a good estimate of 3.5-4k tons of AC fuel and 5k tons for the ship.

where did those figures of 112 females on board comprising 5% of total crew come from? how reliable is that source? also, since air wing isnt embarked, we have no way of knowing if they were refering to ship's crew or total crew with the air wing personnel. I would even say it 's the former, with another 800 or so people on top of that for the air wing added. that is all IF the figure is credible in the first place.

When it comes to hangar space - if one goes for massive rearangement inside ship, one could get about 11 more meters of length aft of the hangar, with still leaving enough space behind that for engine testing. That is in full width of the hangar, meaning 11 by 26 meters. when it comes to expansion forward of the hangar, that is trickier. Two areas approximately 10 by 15 meters each, one left and one right of the weapons elevator shaft, could be added.

Though, to be honest, that whole bit at the rear seems like hangar workshops as it is. I think US carriers have such rooms at the back of the hangar as well, which is logical, if the engine test room is adjacent, all the way to the back. So that is needed room space. Perhaps some of them can be moved, perhaps in the newly made space in the front...

All in all, i don't see that more than 290 m2 of useful space could be found. But that in itself is not bad, enough for plenty of helicopters or even perhaps two more j15.

Originally Posted by Totoro

where did those figures of 112 females on board comprising 5% of total crew come from? how reliable is that source? also, since air wing isnt embarked, we have no way of knowing if they were refering to ship's crew or total crew with the air wing personnel. I would even say it 's the former, with another 800 or so people on top of that for the air wing added. that is all IF the figure is credible in the first place.

I seriously doubt the actual number of crew + air wing crew = ~3,000, unless you believe the PLAN is heartless enough to keep a lower lifeboat capacity than the number of people on board. More likely 2,350 is the upper limit unless we see them installing more lifeboats.

Since the CV-16 is partially a training platform, and a large relief vessel is always with her, it is possible CV-16 carries more crewmen then the standard needs.

Originally Posted by Totoro

where did those figures of 112 females on board comprising 5% of total crew come from? how reliable is that source? also, since air wing isnt embarked, we have no way of knowing if they were refering to ship's crew or total crew with the air wing personnel. I would even say it 's the former, with another 800 or so people on top of that for the air wing added. that is all IF the figure is credible in the first place.

from Liaoning captain, total crew number is 2128.