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This is a discussion on PLAN Carrier Operations..News, Videos & Photos within the Navy forums, part of the China Defense & Military category; Originally Posted by jackbh This ship is junk. Why would they bother putting it into service. Not junk in the ...

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    Re: Latest Varyag Info and Photos

    Quote Originally Posted by jackbh View Post
    This ship is junk. Why would they bother putting it into service.
    Not junk in the least. Outside of the US carriers, and perhaps the French De Gaulle, this class carrier is the most powerful carrier afloat.

    The Kuznetsov, still in use by, and the pride of the Russian fleet, is older and has a lot more wear on it than this ship.

    As Obi Wan says, once she is complete with her refit with new plumbing, propulsion, weapons system, sensors, and aircraft...she is going to be one very fine and capable vessel for whatever the PLAN has in mind for her.

    Again, outside of the US supercarriers, one of three most powerful carriers in the rest of the world.

    Hardly junk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackbh View Post
    This ship is junk. Why would they bother putting it into service.
    it would be no junk when crushing through ur little fishing boat in south china sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sczepan View Post
    China today have no fighter (plane) to use the Carrier. So there ist no need to finish the Varjag soon, before the planes are opeational.

    I suspect, the JL-15 will become the first carrier born trainer.
    When the the first operational variant of JL-15 will become available (as early as 2008~2010 as I know), the Varjag will become operational pretty soon.
    The next step could be a carrier borne derivate of the J-11 (I prefer two-engine planes).

    And I agree: the Varjag will be a trainee-carrier, training for crews, pilots and to test carrier related technology.
    agree, JL-15 is just wat PLAN needs to train and experience the power of carrier.
    as well will help ceasing the tension for neighbors from an operational J-11 thus turning varyag into a threat.

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    Re: Latest Varyag Info and Photos

    it would be no junk when crushing through ur little fishing boat in south china sea.
    I'm Chinese why do I want Chinese war ship crushing through my little fishing boat in south China sea. And what is wrong with my little fishing boat?

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    jackbh & cooker..Knock off the sill chit chat and post in a sensible manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackbh View Post
    This ship is junk. Why would they bother putting it into service.
    where is the justification oft this argument?

    I don't agree, because:
    the main job of an carrier is to carrie planes, fighters, helos ....
    these planes ore helos could be outdated, but it would be of course very dangerous to enemys, if only an old Carrier would carrie modern planes and Helos,

    For explain
    take a WW II Carrier, fitted with modern attack helos (like WZ 10) and ground attack planes (like JL-15) and modern weapons,
    and compare this combination with a modern LH, but fittet with WW II planes and old weapons (guns)
    who would win the confrontation?

    Also the good ole carriers could carrie helos, for example, or lightweight ground attack planes without problems - and these carriers would have enough speed and loading capcity, compared to modern LHs, to be not "outdated"
    so build a new derivate of these carriers with new modern engines, electronical equipment and so on - and you will have a pretty nice toy

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    JUNK JUNK?????? What the heck are you talking about JUNK. Why would China purchase it and then tow it at its large expense just to get it to port, with so many negotiations of getting it to China. Sure it isnt a Nimitz carrier but remember it wasnt designed to fufil that role, it was a defensive carrier for sub escort.

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    I'm thinking there might be major work going inside... a ship can often sit at the dock looking like nothing is happening on the outside, but there is major work ongoing inside. They may be wiring the ship, fitting electronics, checking the plumbing, or even doing structural work.

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    I say the bigger problem is there isn't any power for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenvui65 View Post
    I say the bigger problem is there isn't any power for it.
    Coul you be more specific? A ship under refit is usually supplied with power for the workers equipment and such basics as lighting and services from the shoreside, just like any other building site. When I was 19 I worked as a plumbers mate on the Southampton Novotel and Ibis Hotel for three months and neither of those buildings had any power either. All supplied by onsite portable generators, and for a ship the size of Varyag two or three generators in ISO containers on the dockside would be more than enough for any work within the ship. My time on that building site (and a couple of others) gave me a first hand view of the practicalities of wiring and plumbing in a large construction, whether it is a shore building or a ship. It's a long slog, but by no means an insurmountable problem.

    Also in later years I was involved in the export of large items of manufacturing equipment from British factories which had closed (by large I mean up to the size of a house) and often these had to be removed through seemingly impossibly small spaces. Heavy Haulage firms have a saying, "If it's loose at both ends, we can shift it!", and they did! Putting large items aboard a carrier like Varyag isn't easy, but heavy engineering moves are something the Chinese are very familiar with. New Turbines and Boilers can be easily sourced within China itelf without arousing much notice and they would be installed most probably by taking them in at hangar deck level through the deck edge lift openings and lowering them into the bowels of the ship through holes cut in the hangar deck and the decks below. All this could be done out of sight of the likes of us and once in position the work of plumbing in and wiring up the engines and boilers can proceed.



    Heres a couple of pictures of heavy plant being moved into position aboard the French CVN Charles de Gaulle which illustrates my point.
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    Re: Latest Varyag Info and Photos

    Here's one shot of a simulator in a series where they're supposedly using K-8s to train on landing on carriers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssassinsMace View Post
    Here's one shot of a simulator in a series where they're supposedly using K-8s to train on landing on carriers.
    They train landing on US-carriers? Stuppid or a fake!

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    I train to land on US carriers! Flight Simulator on my computer. Very realistic. Pretty sure the chinese have figured that one out and bought a load for their pilots to practice in their rooms at night... Not quite like the real thing, but a lot better than nothing. The basic skils required for landing on a carrier can be taught on a simulator, and not necessarily a multi million dollar one either, though they are preferrable for the superior quality of the flying environment they provide.
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    LOMAC would do it perfectly. That simulation has a reputation for accuracy and it has the right stuff to do it---the carrier in question being the Kuznetzov, the Varyag's sister ship, and the subject aircraft are Su-33s.
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    Not quite like the real thing, but a lot better than nothing. The basic skils required for landing on a carrier can be taught on a simulator, and not necessarily a multi million dollar one either, though they are preferrable for the superior quality of the flying environment they provide.
    I've know USN pilots that spent hours in a simulator and never truely masterd landing on a CV until they actually did the deed.

    As Obi Wan has pointed out nothing beats the real thing. It takes real arrested landing after landing to perfect landing on a moving CV. The Russians by the way have never master night landings on a CV.

    No offense intended towards anyone..but >>> Please inform me when the very first PLAN pilot makes an arrested landing on a PLAN CV...Thank you.
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