PLAN Anti-Piracy Deployments

Israel?? that is news, how come that was added to the list

nevertheless if China wants to really become a global player in the oceans around the world they need to fix 2 problems which they have for replenishment tankers, first I dont think Type 903 can replenishment weapons and ammunition, and second they also cant replenish submarines while at sea, which means they cant deploy SSN with a task force

currently there is only really 2 ocean going replenishment tankers operational, however this months Warship magazine stated that there is 3 not 2 Type 903A under development, however it is still not clear if they can replenish weapons and submarines, that will be the most important part when they are commissioned, to see whether or not they can meet these 2 requirements, if they cant this means Chinese carrier task force has no hunter killer submarine

in addition Type 903A has a 3rd requirment to meet, that is too replenish aircraft carrier also

Originally Posted by asif iqbal

Israel?? that is news, how come that was added to the list

nevertheless if China wants to really become a global player in the oceans around the world they need to fix 2 problems which they have for replenishment tankers, first I dont think Type 903 can replenishment weapons and ammunition, and second they also cant replenish submarines while at sea, which means they cant deploy SSN with a task force

currently there is only really 2 ocean going replenishment tankers operational, however this months Warship magazine stated that there is 3 not 2 Type 903A under development, however it is still not clear if they can replenish weapons and submarines, that will be the most important part when they are commissioned, to see whether or not they can meet these 2 requirements, if they cant this means Chinese carrier task force has no hunter killer submarine

in addition Type 903A has a 3rd requirment to meet, that is too replenish aircraft carrier also

Not being able to replenish subs at sea does not mean a task group cannot have subs as part of their complement.

Munitions only need to be replenished after use, and a modern SSN should easily be able to carry enough consumables to last a patrol. If it doesn't a second sub could be sent when the first start to run low on supplies and seamlessly take over to ensure a continuous SSN presence with the task group.

Originally Posted by plawolf

Not being able to replenish subs at sea does not mean a task group cannot have subs as part of their complement.

Munitions only need to be replenished after use, and a modern SSN should easily be able to carry enough consumables to last a patrol. If it doesn't a second sub could be sent when the first start to run low on supplies and seamlessly take over to ensure a continuous SSN presence with the task group.

sure there are ways round it but its not a long term solution, and SSN need to take on fresh supplys, for long deployments they need replenishment

Originally Posted by asif iqbal

sure there are ways round it but its not a long term solution, and SSN need to take on fresh supplys, for long deployments they need replenishment

A modern SSN can easily go months without needing to surface, and even USN SSNs and SSBNs routinely go entire cruises without resupply or surfacing. SSNs are designed to be able to operate independently without needing resupply or support for the majority of their missions.

I am also very skeptical of whether the benefits of underway replenishment outweigh the risks for subs, especially when you do not enjoy total dominance of the oceans.

If your operational plans are dependent on underway replenishment for your subs, an adversary could throw a massive spanner in the works by tracking down and taking out the replenishment ships - which would be far easier to find and sink than the subs.

That is only the most basic tactic, there are plenty of others one could use to take advantage of an enemy replenishing subs at sea.

You can have the best SSN in the world that is all but impossible to detect passively, but if you regularly use replenishment ships to resupply them, all a craft enemy needs to do is track down one of these replenishment ships and wait for the SSNs to come and resupply. You can then sink the SSN at your leisure as it is tied down and completely exposed or assign a tail to it to sink the sub elsewhere so you can still use the same replenishment ship to locate enemy subs.

What works for the USN often only works for the USN. Simply copying everything they do without considering how it might apply to your own specific case can be a very bad idea.

A modern SSN can easily go months without needing to surface, and even USN SSNs and SSBNs routinely go entire cruises without resupply or surfacing. SSNs are designed to be able to operate independently without needing resupply or support for the majority of their missions.

Exactly. USN SSN/SSGN/SSBNs replenish inport if need be. . SSBN/SSGN's many times never enter port during during a 90 day patrol.

Originally Posted by plawolf

You can have the best SSN in the world that is all but impossible to detect passively, but if you regularly use replenishment ships to resupply them, all a craft enemy needs to do is track down one of these replenishment ships and wait for the SSNs to come and resupply. You can then sink the SSN at your leisure as it is tied down and completely exposed or assign a tail to it to sink the sub elsewhere so you can still use the same replenishment ship to locate enemy subs.

that is a very valid point, it would defeat the purpose of a long endurance submarine, since replenishment tankers are the easy prey for enemys anyway

Chinese Naval Boats Enter Black Sea For First Time

Officials at the Russian and Ukrainian defense ministries say Chinese naval vessels have entered the Black Sea for the first time ever.

The "Qingdao" destroyer, armed with guided missiles, and the "Yantai" frigate, captained by the deputy commander of China's northern fleet, entered the sea on July 31 at Ukraine's invitation.

The two Chinese ships have previously taken part in international operations against pirates in the Gulf of Aden.

Officials said the "Yantai" was expected to sail to the Romanian port of Constanta before leaving the Black Sea on August 9, while the "Qingdao" was expected to stay in Ukraine's Crimean port of Sevastopol until August 4.

In accordance with the Montreux Convention, the vessels of non-Black Sea countries can remain in Black Sea for up to 21 days.

The frigate "Yantai" of the 11th Chinese naval escort flotilla sail to the Romanian port of Constanta port, about 220 km East of Bucharest, capital of Romania, July 31, 2012. The Chinese frigate began a five-day goodwill visit to Romania from Tuesday.

Originally Posted by escobar

Chinese Naval Boats Enter Black Sea For First Time

Not exactly a reliable source if the heading talks of boats rather than ships!

Looking great!! I was wondering how China will visit Romania they will have to enter the black sea

But they should have sent in something like Type 052C and not 113, for overseas visits they should stick to Type 052C and Type 054A they are representing China on the international stage and should send their newest and most modern warships abroad it will look very impressive

11th Chinese naval escort taskforce passes through Suez Canal

Excellent photos escobar!

I passed through the Suez canal twice on the USS America (CV 66) in 1981.

passing through the Suez is a very good experience for Navys and even more so for China, its narrow and very shallow, its high profile and anyone who has done it will know that the Commanders of the ships have to be very focused, there are many dangers and also now the threat of pirates as you come out and terrorists along the way

the most challenging is passing a nuclear submarine through the straits, it requires very high level of knowledge and talent, as per the Suez rules submarines have to pass through while surfaced, they are not allowed to dive, and that makes SSNs very vunerable to attacks by armed groups even firing off a RPG

nevertheles this is very good learning experience for China and passing through such a busy shipping lane is exciting, and i hope one day China can pass through a Type 095 SSN or maybe even a aircraft carrier, USN use the strait alot for thier ships and when a SSN is passing they get a escort by the Egyptian army all the way along the canal because a attack on a USN SSN would mean bad news for Egypt so they look after Americans too much

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