PLAN Anti-Piracy Deployments

Originally Posted by rhino123

I have a rather silly question to ask... LCAC seemed to be a fast boat to use... but if could a AK-47 round or a RPG knock a hole in the air cushion and render the boat quite useless?

From what I understand, the LCAC won't sink. It can actually sit on the water without the air cushion. The air cushion just enables it to glide over the wate's surface (or any flat surface for that matter).

If the skirting (which is probably what you are talking about) is damaged by bullets or RPG, the damaged side will probably drag in the water as the skirt won't be able to form a proper air cushion. However, how badly it drags depends on how badly it is damaged.

I would think that bullets won't be too much of a problem. Afterall, these things are designed to land combat troops in a potentially hostile beach.

Originally Posted by rhino123

Well... the air cushion seemed like a pretty large target, and it don't move as fast as a helicopter. The somalian pirates do have RPG and AK-47, and they know how to use their weapon.

As for your example of the low flying aircraft, it always bring me back to the incident of the Battle of Magadishu (also in Somalia), RPG fired from the somalian shot down two Black Hawk helicopters... maybe it is luck, but the incident did show some vulnerbility of helicopters. (not going to go further, bcos it is )

As for ship... I would believe that if AK-47 had absolutely no impact against a destroyer or a frigate. As to the RPG... well... a frigate or a destroyer had more armour on it for these weapons to be of much use.

But LCAC didn't share the same armour, plus, the cushion, which was quite big was actually a good target for trained militia.

Althought it was kinda back in the days (mid-70s) I think there is a precedence of rpgs/handgrenades being used against frigates during the Paracel Island conflict between China and South Vietnam. When Chinese ships got too close to the Vietnamese vessels to use the cannons they resorted to using the rpgs and handgrenades with great effect. They should at least be somewhat useful as anti-personnel weapons to those unfortunate enough to be on deck.

contrary to rumours that one of the sovs will be on the next (7th) flotilla to Aden, it will actually consist of 529, 530 and 886. The mission will start on the 20th of this month and end in 28th of March. 886 is the replenishment ship for all of the flotilla from ESF and 887 is the replenishment ship for all of the flotilla from SSF.

Originally Posted by tphuang

contrary to rumours that one of the sovs will be on the next (7th) flotilla to Aden, it will actually consist of 529, 530 and 886. The mission will start on the 20th of this month and end in 28th of March. 886 is the replenishment ship for all of the flotilla from ESF and 887 is the replenishment ship for all of the flotilla from SSF.

Seems to reinforce the observation that the Sovs rarely take on any missions.

I never thought it made that much sense to send something like the Sov out there. If they did it, it would have just been to show it off. 054/As are the most ideal ships for this in PLAN. Here are some photos.

Agreed, in fact, you don't really see any of the destroyers being deployed to this mission lately. Does the 071 return once the 7th flotilla gets on station?

Originally Posted by joshuatree

Seems to reinforce the observation that the Sovs rarely take on any missions.

That might due to a few things:
1. The Sovs are a stop-gap of sorts to deal with Chinese's lacking in indigenous offensive capabilities against modern navies like that of Japan and US, pretty much they bought them for the Moskit.
2. And being the "trump card" of sort, the PLAN can't afford to have something that vital to leave the home port for long range expeditions - what if they need them when they were half a world away at the Gulf of Adan?
3. Some articles published in Taiwan's defense related magazines indicated that the candidates for the anti-pirate deployments are restricted to indigenous ships only for the reason of display China's capacity in making naval vessels capable of long range missions far from home waters, true blue-water capabilities.
4. And as much as a show-of-might, this is becoming a regular training cruise for the PLAN and testing their new toys in real, if not why'd they bring the 071 class LPD and 3320 LCAC on the latest batch? The LPD makes sense with its helicopter operation capabilities (fitting in relation to the counter piracy mission, for helicopter is the fastest rapid-response-force asset) but the big LCAC ain't unless you plan on an assault on the Somali coastline, wipe a pirate haven off from the map or something...

PLAN recently captured a Somalian pirate speed boat attempting to board a oil tanker that is under Chinese escort. The Z-9 strafed the boat with warning fire!!! Here is the link to the exciting footages:

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I must say that those pirates are pretty crazy. What the hell were they thinking attacking ships in the presence of warships?

From where those pirates came from they've probably never seen a decent sized warship before in their life. Can't fear what you don't know.

It's always the kingpins that make the most out of this, they will just find some other young bloke to do the job.

It's nice to finally see some PLAN actions taken.

At the water cannon used in self defence on the ships, probably better if they replace it with flame throwers.

Originally Posted by siegecrossbow

PLAN recently captured a Somalian pirate speed boat attempting to board a oil tanker that is under Chinese escort. The Z-9 strafed the boat with warning fire!!! Here is the link to the exciting footages:

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I must say that those pirates are pretty crazy. What the hell were they thinking attacking ships in the presence of warships?

It looked like they were doing everything for the camera man and part of me was waiting for a bullet or something to set the tanker alight when they were firing at the pirates along side it.

I recently saw someone on TV, didn't know who he was, claim they should send American gangs to places like Afghanistan as if street thugs are some omipotent kisk-ass force. Gang members doing drive-by shootings are cowards.

Same hype with these pirates. If there were permission to shoot and sink these pirates on site, you wouldn't see them so bold. These pirates know there's a small window of danger for them and its when they attempt to board a ship. Once they're on-board and there isn't any dangerous resistance, any military is less likely to want to cause innocent casualties. It's all negotiating with parties who own the ship for ransom afterwards. That's why they do it. There's little danger for them except when they make the attempt to board a ship. That's basically the only time a navy can do something.

Originally Posted by siegecrossbow

PLAN recently captured a Somalian pirate speed boat attempting to board a oil tanker that is under Chinese escort. The Z-9 strafed the boat with warning fire!!! Here is the link to the exciting footages:

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I must say that those pirates are pretty crazy. What the hell were they thinking attacking ships in the presence of warships?

Does anyone recongize the MG?

Here's another vid:
http://news.cntv.cn/china/20101214/109874.shtml

So when did China get their hands on Star Wars binoculars. Who makes them?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3wZSwFvZzq...0655_85700.jpg


BTW, anyone having trouble with imageshack? I haven't been able to upload any images of late.

Originally Posted by AssassinsMace

So when did China get their hands on Star Wars binoculars. Who makes them?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3wZSwFvZzq...0655_85700.jpg


BTW, anyone having trouble with imageshack? I haven't been able to upload any images of late.

use tinypic instead