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振奋:中国海军的反潜能力突然获得数十倍提高

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中国海军已经在自己的领海内,开始部署一整套“水下声音侦查评估分析系统”,该系统的英文简称为sosus 系统。美国军事专家认为,中国的这种系统就如同 美国在中国海军进出第一、二岛链的航道上布设的“水声声纳阵”一样,是一种专门用来对付敌对国家静音潜艇的 侦察系统。这种系统是由分布在关键海域的多个固 定水声感应器阵组成水下侦查网络,它们分别将自己侦测到的声音数据通过海底光纤传输到基地的中央电脑处理器 上,有专门的经验丰富的参谋部门进行认真地分析 比对,从而精确确定水下目标的方位、型别、国别和各类动态参数,随后就可以通知己方的反潜力量(水下的、水 面的、空中的)执行准确的跟踪或者攻击任务。据 美国军事专家研判,这套系统能够精确锁定在西太平洋绝大部分海域水下秘密运行的代表世界最高水平的美国海军 核动力潜艇,如果这套系统再结合中国海军近年专 门建立的至少五个海岸远程和中程海洋监视雷达站组成的水面情报系统,以及中国前年发射的海洋监视卫星组成海 洋监视网络,则中国海军就具有了立体监控西太平 洋的能力!



中国海军之所以处心积虑要建立一整套这种系统,目的就在于未来一旦中国和潜在对手在西太平洋任一地区发生战 略冲突时,中国将会至少有能力同时击 沉或者击溃五个或者以上的战斗力强大的航空母舰战斗群一类的水面目标!因为在发生这种冲突时,很可能引发高 强度全面战争,而对手的航空母舰战斗群既有潜藏 在水下的攻击型核动力潜艇保护,航母战斗群也会掩护和保卫己方的战略导弹核潜艇或者巡航导弹核潜艇进入袭击 阵地,而中国的这种水下声音侦测系统就是为了精 确测定并快速打击秘密潜航在水下的敌方潜艇,从而各个击破因而全面打击敌人的所有水上来犯之敌!而在这之前 ,中国的反潜形同虚设,只有执行巡逻任务的单个 舰只在固定的巡逻海区定期的例行巡逻时,才会打开舰(艇)载反潜声纳,以获取某一海区的水下实时情报。虽说 后来随着中国电子技术的进步,中国在某些重要地 区的海岸建立了一些“简单”的侦听声纳基地,但是因为是以地形和水声背景复杂的海岸为载体,因而实际侦测效 果并不理想。而美国静音效果良好的各类核动力潜 艇,正是看到中国反潜信息的相对落后,因而频频潜航到中国海岸边来侦察和战略威吓。如果美国潜艇不能碰巧被 中国海军侦测到(就像上世纪七十年代中国两艘猎 潜艇因为维修后到外海试机恰巧侦测到美国的战略核潜艇并迫使其浮出水面离开中国领海),则中国沿海海域就如 同美国人的跑马场,他们不声不响的来溜达一圈获 取重要情报后又不声不响的悄悄离开,只要美国人不自己捅出来,我们也就蒙在鼓里就像美国人从来不曾来过一样 !


如 今中国海军的这套系统已经开始运行,几乎所有的在西太平洋活动的各国潜艇的动态参数,都掌控在中国海军的战 略决策部门手里。这套系统不但能够使得中国海军 的反潜能力获得数十倍的提高,也增加了国外潜艇跟踪和侦察中国潜艇的难度,更重要的是这种系统能够帮助中国 海军的水面和水下舰艇反过来发现和追踪外国潜 艇,就如同原来外国人和我们玩的是“猫捉老鼠的游戏”现在我们开始和他们玩“老鼠戏猫的游戏”了!这种水下 声纳-远程岸基雷达-太空海洋监视卫星网络系统 能够为中国海军提供实时的动态海洋情报信息侦察能力,特别是在竞争激烈的西太平洋地区,这种能力对中国海军 来说,尤为重要!而一旦中国海军的这种能力运行 成熟并得到很好协调的话,则外国海军在中西部太平洋地区为所欲为的日子将会一去不复返了!也可以说,本就水 下潜艇实力雄厚的中国海军,在自己的sosus 系统成功运作后,其实际的以“小股狼群战术”在西太平洋活动的潜艇部队就会如虎添翼,不但会成功反制美国及 其仆从的水下舰队,还能进一步提高其对美国海军 航母战斗群的实际打击能力(我们的宋、元、基洛级本来就具有这种能力,更不要说我们的093级攻击型核潜艇 了)!



中国海军潜艇部队在成功拥有了sosus系统后,终于在与美国海军潜艇部队的角逐中不再被动了 !

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PLAN SOSUS system?

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Chinese Navy anti-submarine capability obtained a sudden increase in the number of times

The Chinese navy has in their own territorial sea, to begin deploying a set of "appraisal and analysis of underwater acoustic detection system", the system's English referred to as SOSUS system. U.S. military experts believe that this system is like the Chinese in China, the U.S. Navy out of the first and second island chain of paths laid, "Underwater Acoustic sonar array," just like a quiet designed to deal with hostile states submarine reconnaissance system. This system is distributed in the key area by a number of fixed underwater acoustic sensor array composed of an underwater detection network, which, respectively, to detect the voice of its own data base through a submarine optical fiber transmission to a central computer processor, there are special experienced staff departments careful analysis than to accurately determine the underwater target position, type, country and various dynamic parameters, and then be able to notify one's own anti-submarine force (underwater, surface, and the air ) implementation of the accurate tracking, or attack missions. According to U.S. military experts judged that the system is able to pinpoint the vast majority of waters in the western Pacific is running on behalf of a secret underwater world, the highest level of the U.S. Navy nuclear-powered submarines, if the system is combined with the Chinese Navy in recent years, specifically the establishment of at least five Coastal Remote and medium-range maritime surveillance radar intelligence system composed of water, and China's marine surveillance satellites launched two years ago the composition of ocean monitoring network, the Chinese navy has a three-dimensional monitoring of the capacity of the Western Pacific!
The reason why the Chinese navy deliberately to establish a set of such systems, the purpose lies in the future if China and potential rivals in the Western Pacific region either a strategy for conflict, China will sink, or at least having the capacity to defeat five or more combat aircraft carrier battle group a powerful class of surface targets! Because in the event of such conflict, it might lead to high-intensity all-out war, while the opponent's aircraft carrier battle groups both hidden in the underwater nuclear-powered attack submarines to protect the carrier battle group will also cover and protect one's own strategic missile submarines, or cruise missile submarines into attack positions, and China this underwater acoustic detection system is to accurately and quickly determine the secret submersible underwater combat enemy submarines, which resulted in a complete strike the enemy destroyed one by one all the water to the invading enemy! Previously, China's anti-submarine exist in name only, and only the implementation of a single patrol ships patrolling the waters on a regular basis at a fixed routine patrol will open the ship (boat) contains anti-submarine sonar in order to obtain a real-time underwater sea area intelligence. Although subsequent advances in electronic technology with China, the Chinese in some important areas of the coast of the establishment of a number of "simple" listening sonar base, but because the background sound is a complex terrain and coastal water as a carrier, and therefore the actual detection of results are unsatisfactory. Quiet good results while the United States nuclear-powered submarines of various types, it is to see China's anti-submarine information, relatively backward, and thus frequently sail to China along the coast to detect and strategic threat. If the United States can not happen to be the Chinese navy submarine detected (as the seventies of the last century because of China's two submarine chasers off the coast of the post-maintenance test machine happens to the U.S. strategic nuclear submarines to detect and to force it to emerge from China's territorial waters), China's coastal waters are on the race course, as Americans, they are quietly coming to a walk after lap gain vital intelligence to quietly leave quietly, as long as Americans do not poke out of their own, and we also kept in the dark As the Americans have never been to the same!
Today, the Chinese Navy, this system has been running, almost all the countries in the Western Pacific, the activities of the dynamic parameters of the submarine, are controlled in the Chinese navy's strategic decision-making in the hands. The system not only allows access to the Chinese navy's antisubmarine capabilities increase the number of times, but also increase the tracking and detection of foreign submarines, the difficulty of Chinese submarines, more importantly, this system can help the Chinese naval surface and underwater naval vessels, in turn detect and track foreign submarines, just like the original Alien, and we play the "cat and mouse game" Now we begin with them playing "cat mouse play the game" of! This underwater sonar - a remote shore-based radar - space marine surveillance satellite network system can provide real-time dynamics of the Chinese Navy Marine intelligence surveillance capabilities, especially in the highly competitive Western Pacific region, this capacity for the Chinese navy is especially important! Once the Chinese navy's this ability to run sophisticated and well coordinated, then the central and western Pacific region, a foreign navy will do as they wish the days gone! Can also be said that the submarine on an underwater strong Chinese navy, in their own SOSUS the successful operation of the system, its actual "small unit tactics of wolves," the activities in the western Pacific submarine force will be unleashed, not only the success of anti - system of the United States and the client's underwater fleet, but also to further enhance its U.S. Navy aircraft carrier battle groups to the actual strike capability (Our Song, Yuan, Kilo-class already have such a capacity, not to say that we have 093 attack submarine had)!
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振奋:中国海军的反潜能力突然获得数十倍提高

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中国海军已经在自己的领海内,开始部署一整套“水下声音侦查评估分析系统”,该系统的英文简称为sosus 系统。美国军事专家认为,中国的这种系统就如同 美国在中国海军进出第一、二岛链的航道上布设的“水声声纳阵”一样,是一种专门用来对付敌对国家静音潜艇的 侦察系统。这种系统是由分布在关键海域的多个固 定水声感应器阵组成水下侦查网络,它们分别将自己侦测到的声音数据通过海底光纤传输到基地的中央电脑处理器 上,有专门的经验丰富的参谋部门进行认真地分析 比对,从而精确确定水下目标的方位、型别、国别和各类动态参数,随后就可以通知己方的反潜力量(水下的、水 面的、空中的)执行准确的跟踪或者攻击任务。据 美国军事专家研判,这套系统能够精确锁定在西太平洋绝大部分海域水下秘密运行的代表世界最高水平的美国海军 核动力潜艇,如果这套系统再结合中国海军近年专 门建立的至少五个海岸远程和中程海洋监视雷达站组成的水面情报系统,以及中国前年发射的海洋监视卫星组成海 洋监视网络,则中国海军就具有了立体监控西太平 洋的能力!



中国海军之所以处心积虑要建立一整套这种系统,目的就在于未来一旦中国和潜在对手在西太平洋任一地区发生战 略冲突时,中国将会至少有能力同时击 沉或者击溃五个或者以上的战斗力强大的航空母舰战斗群一类的水面目标!因为在发生这种冲突时,很可能引发高 强度全面战争,而对手的航空母舰战斗群既有潜藏 在水下的攻击型核动力潜艇保护,航母战斗群也会掩护和保卫己方的战略导弹核潜艇或者巡航导弹核潜艇进入袭击 阵地,而中国的这种水下声音侦测系统就是为了精 确测定并快速打击秘密潜航在水下的敌方潜艇,从而各个击破因而全面打击敌人的所有水上来犯之敌!而在这之前 ,中国的反潜形同虚设,只有执行巡逻任务的单个 舰只在固定的巡逻海区定期的例行巡逻时,才会打开舰(艇)载反潜声纳,以获取某一海区的水下实时情报。虽说 后来随着中国电子技术的进步,中国在某些重要地 区的海岸建立了一些“简单”的侦听声纳基地,但是因为是以地形和水声背景复杂的海岸为载体,因而实际侦测效 果并不理想。而美国静音效果良好的各类核动力潜 艇,正是看到中国反潜信息的相对落后,因而频频潜航到中国海岸边来侦察和战略威吓。如果美国潜艇不能碰巧被 中国海军侦测到(就像上世纪七十年代中国两艘猎 潜艇因为维修后到外海试机恰巧侦测到美国的战略核潜艇并迫使其浮出水面离开中国领海),则中国沿海海域就如 同美国人的跑马场,他们不声不响的来溜达一圈获 取重要情报后又不声不响的悄悄离开,只要美国人不自己捅出来,我们也就蒙在鼓里就像美国人从来不曾来过一样 !


如 今中国海军的这套系统已经开始运行,几乎所有的在西太平洋活动的各国潜艇的动态参数,都掌控在中国海军的战 略决策部门手里。这套系统不但能够使得中国海军 的反潜能力获得数十倍的提高,也增加了国外潜艇跟踪和侦察中国潜艇的难度,更重要的是这种系统能够帮助中国 海军的水面和水下舰艇反过来发现和追踪外国潜 艇,就如同原来外国人和我们玩的是“猫捉老鼠的游戏”现在我们开始和他们玩“老鼠戏猫的游戏”了!这种水下 声纳-远程岸基雷达-太空海洋监视卫星网络系统 能够为中国海军提供实时的动态海洋情报信息侦察能力,特别是在竞争激烈的西太平洋地区,这种能力对中国海军 来说,尤为重要!而一旦中国海军的这种能力运行 成熟并得到很好协调的话,则外国海军在中西部太平洋地区为所欲为的日子将会一去不复返了!也可以说,本就水 下潜艇实力雄厚的中国海军,在自己的sosus 系统成功运作后,其实际的以“小股狼群战术”在西太平洋活动的潜艇部队就会如虎添翼,不但会成功反制美国及 其仆从的水下舰队,还能进一步提高其对美国海军 航母战斗群的实际打击能力(我们的宋、元、基洛级本来就具有这种能力,更不要说我们的093级攻击型核潜艇 了)!



中国海军潜艇部队在成功拥有了sosus系统后,终于在与美国海军潜艇部队的角逐中不再被动了 !
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PLAN recently ordered 8 more of those anti-sub helicopters from Russia, another head scratcher, China should be able to design and make those anti-sub copters on its own. For a country doing stealth fighters should be able to make those copters on its own.
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PLAN recently ordered 8 more of those anti-sub helicopters from Russia, another head scratcher, China should be able to design and make those anti-sub copters on its own. For a country doing stealth fighters should be able to make those copters on its own.
according to huitong, these are not new ones. The news with be 92x4.

China doesn't have anything comparable to Kamov as we speak. It takes time to develop these things. In fact, they do have a project for it right now, but it's not top priority like J-XX, so they are not putting as much resource in it. And besides, Z-15 will be their naval helicopter of choice in the future and it will be the most advanced helicopter of it's class. So, why do you concern about buying kamovs, when it's perfectly functional and they are capable of developing (and are developing) something much better.
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一年前,被誉为“鱼雷铁人”的王利军就是因为这型鱼雷,连续高强度工作劳累,致使脑部血管瘤破裂,最终倒在 了他一生热爱并为之奋斗的鱼雷监造岗位上。

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鱼雷是海军克敌制胜的重要水中兵器。新世纪之初,我国新一代主战鱼雷自主研发过程中,试验多次失败,进展一 度非常缓慢。刚提拔为副总代表的王利军接过了动力系统国产化研制的重任,便将自己交给了这型鱼 雷。

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一次,由于装配工误将电缆接错,鱼雷在湖中试验失败。王利军想得更深:电缆接错这样的低级错误居然能通过自 检,反映了质量管控和产品设计源头存在漏洞。王利军立即组织军代表审查厂方质量管理体系,一下挖出了23项 设计环节缺陷。

举一反三,王利军接着对另外13项产品质量逐一清理,编制研制、生产、试验的产品规范和操作细则,使装备无 论什么状态下都处于严格的监督程序和标准之下,先后为3型主战鱼雷排查出2000多个影响产品可靠性的质量 隐患,极大提升了产品可靠性。

采访中,与王利军一起工作19年的战友、现任总代表赵晋宏还告诉我们这样一件事。

某型鱼雷动力系统的战储时间,技术文件上标注为几个月。“几个月维护一次,部队还怎打仗?”工厂不敢动,但 王利军不信邪。他很快联系部队,拉回了4 条库存战雷,每个月重复着拆分战雷、性能测试、分析比对,像一台永不疲倦的机器,寻找着战雷储存、延寿的办 法。4年过去了,这件厂方认为办不到的事,被王利军用坚韧和事实征服了:他牵头摸索出的一套战雷科学养护模 式被写进了部队操作手册,使战雷的存储周期整整提高了10多倍。

紧急建议为部队节省维护经费数千万

2005年春节,王利军在走访部队时发现,鱼雷仓库里不少某型鱼雷出现了战斗部和燃料密封圈老化等现象 。

回来后,王利军立即对库存鱼雷进行一次性能衰减抽样试验,结果让人震惊:相当高比例的战斗部已到寿,必须尽 快组织报废销毁处理。

王利军立即协调军厂双方联合上报,提出“销毁所有到寿鱼雷装药,替换新型战斗部”的紧急建议。他说服工厂先 期展开了为更换新型战斗部和状态恢复的工作。很快,各作战部队大量库存、危险性极高的鱼雷战斗部安全隐患随 之消除,为部队节省保养维护经费数千万元。

那年深秋的一天,暮色已晚,王利军走访部队后散步来到码头,看到战士们正将鱼雷吊装上岸。他脑海里闪过一个 念头:部队训练使用实弹,又很重又不安全,如果有一个模拟弹替代,岂不两全齐美?

一个突如其来的想法,最终变成了真实的研制方案。王利军牵头研制出某型教练雷,以“可人工设定、可自主应答 、可发射打捞且零消耗”的特点,完全替代了部队训练操雷,填补了国内行业空白。

在某新型鱼雷研制进程中,王利军先后带领军代表组织关键技术和配套设备改进攻关13项,攻克了多项制约研制 进度的瓶颈。他紧盯现役鱼雷装药时间长、程序复杂、配套要求高等缺陷,引进最新工艺,将鱼雷的爆炸威力提高 了1/3,装药流程缩短2/3。

肩负强装使命亲手交付主战鱼雷数百条

新中国海军发展历程中,一度面临“有艇无好雷”的尴尬。在军校期间,王利军主攻鱼水雷专业,我国鱼雷的落后 现状一直深深刺痛着他。为了中国高性能主战鱼雷早日比肩世界,王利军暗暗发誓:“要让中国海军拥有新一代智 能高速鱼雷!”

王利军所在军工厂位于太行山脉的山麓里,是一个典型的“三线”艰苦地区,驻地偏僻,交通不便,工作条件差, 时常停水断电,但来自江南鱼米之乡的王利军却对这里的新型鱼雷监造一见钟情。他认为,这里才是他实现人生价 值的最好舞台。

刚到军代室时,王利军分在鱼雷动力组,整天与发动机燃料打交道。发动机燃料会挥发一种毒害化学气体,人闻一 闻都会恶心呕吐、晕厥,甚至影响身体的造血机能。每到发动机返修时,厂里工人总是想放一放再拆,可王利军为 掌握第一手资料,经常拿着钳子起子就冲进现场,迎着刺鼻的味道,打开外壳查原因。正是这种 “拼命三郞”的劲头,使得王利军找出返修故障的原因比谁都多、比谁都快。
别人笑我忒风颠,我笑他人看不穿。
不见五陵豪杰墓,无花无酒锄作田。
在王利军办公室的墙上,挂着两样东西:一个是永远比正常时间快8分钟的挂钟,另一个是中外海军鱼雷发展的历 程图。这两样东西时刻提醒着王利军肩负的使命,也成为他呕心沥血、忘我奋战的写照。

在厂里,大家都叫王利军“铁人”,一是因为他晒得黑,二是他肯吃苦、不怕累。每次鱼雷搞试验,人员装备千里 辗转,光火车就要坐6天。别人不愿去,可王利军从不拒绝。至今两年内湖上鱼雷试验6次的纪录仍由王利军保持 。

2008年1月底,代表室换置了一辆越野吉普车,1年零2个月的时间,这辆车竟跑了6.8万公里。粗略估算 一下,这辆车平均每天要跑180公里,且基本上都是王利军使用。司机王威回忆:“这两年,王总大量的时间都 呆在车上,成天忙着参加试验、巡回检查、现场排故,这个车几乎成了他的移动办公室。”

为了中国鱼雷事业的腾飞,王利军不惜用生命践行使命。

打开王利军办公桌的抽屉,简直就是一个小药箱,10来种药品琳琅满目。一份第四军医大学2008年4月23 日的体检报告上,清楚地记录着王利军体检时亮起的8项“红灯”:高粘血症、左侧颈总动脉—中膜增厚、右肺中 叶炎症、双颌淋巴结肿大……然而,他周围的同事和自己的家人对这些都毫不知晓,王利军只是默默地把它压在最 下面的抽屉里,继续忘我地投入工作。

28岁提拔为业务组长,32岁任命为副总代表,分管3个鱼雷型号,36岁出任总军事代表,王利军在简陋而又 艰辛的舞台上,将人生最宝贵的20年青春献给了中国的鱼雷事业,书写出了精彩而壮丽的人生。他先后主持参与 多型主战鱼雷科研项目,攻克13项技术瓶颈,填补7项国内空白。某型鱼雷动力系统在3年间从 “老大难”变成“新亮点”,鱼雷的湖试、海试动力系统合格率提高到98%,动力系统装配合格率100%,总 装质量合格率100%,为人民海军的转型发展监造了数百枚“水下利剑”。

2009年5月,在王利军生命的最后一段日子里,海装首长专程前来探望。王利军吃力地伸出左手,画了一个鱼 雷的形状,嘴唇蠕动着,想说些什么却无法出声。右半边身体已经无法动弹的他仍执拗地抬起左手,向首长敬上了 一个最庄重的军礼!内心澎湃的思潮化作两行热泪从脸颊潸然落下。一个军礼,把他的胸中起伏着 “打造中国神剑、誓将此身献装备”的铁血豪情淋漓尽致地显现出来,将这名毕生践行军人核心价值观的鱼雷铁人 形象,永远定格在了人们的心中。
an article about a new type of torpedoes successfully completing the tests. A lot of bs, from the sound of it, it looks to be a heavy torpedo. I'm guessing a variant of Yu-6, maybe just fixed all of its problems. They called it China's first generation of high speed and smart torpedo.

Talked a lot about the propulsion system of the torpedo which turned from big trouble point to bright spot in 3 years. It's testing reliability reached 98% and propulsion assembly received 100% passing grade and final assembly also pass 100% of time. They produced several hundreds of these torpedoes.
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China needs SOSUS (much) more then it needs AsBM. USN submarines equipped with LACM and torpedoes are much more dangerous than carriers. And the USN has dozens of them. And no one knows where they are.
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