Latest Varyag Pics

Originally Posted by Seacraft

I wonder if taking off with light ordnance is a combination of not needing a ton of ordnance (not in a wartime footing), how much it can actively get off the deck, or how much ordinance can be on the aircraft when it lands. Pretty expensive to need to dump weapons beacuse the aircraft is too heavy to land in such a small spot....

Gauntlet - looking through your pics I noticed one picture that showed a Flanker (looked empty of loadout but the angle was wrong) taking off from the carrier while the carrier was in port. As land was directly in front by a couple miles, but more importantly, some kind of ship was only a couple hundred hards in front and perpendicular to the bow . So at least documented in some cases they can take off while stationary...

BTW - nice set of pics

This one?



Yeah, it seems that it can take of with the carrier standing still, but as I said, it is very rare seeing the Flanker-Ds taking of with anymore weapons than their wingtip Archers.

So, to get back on sorta like topic: China should look at other planes or up-engined Flanker-Ds if they shall put a airwing on Kuznetsov.

Gauntlet - looking through your pics I noticed one picture that showed a Flanker (looked empty of loadout but the angle was wrong) taking off from the carrier while the carrier was in port.

I've seen the USN do this on several occasions. but never with a aircraft fully loaded with ordance and fuel. I saw a couple of F-18 shot off CV-64 in san diego bay. They had just a couple of Sidewinders loaded.

Gaunlet, I concur with sea craft excellent pic collection!

Originally Posted by bd popeye

I've seen the USN do this on several occasions. but never with a aircraft fully loaded with ordance and fuel. I saw a couple of F-18 shot off CV-64 in san diego bay. They had just a couple of Sidewinders loaded.

Gaunlet, I concur with sea craft excellent pic collection!

Thank you, thank you. Took me quite some time to collect them all. Still searching, but I havent seen many Su-33 pics I dont have. Only got 19 of the around 24-30 in service.

But anyway, the USN can do that because of their catapults. A luxuary the Russians doesn't have.

Makes me wonder, let's say the Chinese learned enough of the Melbourne carrier.
Is it theoretical possible to install catapults on the Varyag?

Originally Posted by Gauntlet

...Makes me wonder, let's say the Chinese learned enough of the Melbourne carrier.
Is it theoretical possible to install catapults on the Varyag?

theoretical in front of the angled deck, I would say ....

Makes me wonder, let's say the Chinese learned enough of the Melbourne carrier.
Is it theoretical possible to install catapults on the Varyag?

Sure. But from looking at the pics of the Varyag I don't see any signs of that being done. It would be quite and undertaking. Very large steam lines would have to be built from the engine room to the level underneath the flight deck. That would require a couple of years of work I guess. The flight deck would need some work to install the catapults. I don't think the PLAN intends to install a catapult on the Varyag. Perhaps on a future CV.

Originally Posted by Sczepan

......
Which private investor will pay so much money to create a swimming casino??
No way, you can't make profits after investing so much money.

So definitely: PLABUDDYs secound alternative seems not to be very realsitic to me.

one more informations:
the former FRANCE, now SS NORWAY, 2 years after boiler explosion (which damaged the engine room) anchored in the haze off Pt. Klang, Malaysia and is waiting for scrape
http://www.maritimematters.com/norway.html
to use this ship for casino would be much cheaper than to work with the Varjag ....

Originally Posted by Seacraft

How do Flankers handle a "bolter" on the Admiral K? Pray? Is there room to get down the deck? They come in on angle as well if I remember from the pics so no sense jamming right pedal to get back to the jump

Damn that was a lot of rust to chisel and prime on the Varyag

well, the russian su-33s are supposedly fitted with powerful tvc al-31 engines, which the russians consider essential to quick emergency take off if the plane misses the arrestor wire. it would also help alot in combat.

You guys want a nice reading?
Here ya go:
http://www.strategycenter.net/resear...pub_detail.asp
It's about "2005: A Turning Point for China’s Aircraft Carrier Ambitions"
Well I guess the title explains it all
I got this in the pic thread already but here ya go
bd popeye your wish of seeing more pics came true

can't fit more than 5 links or pics on the same page...

bump...

anyway i found this artic very interesting..from all the news i've heard i think the "SUper-10" will be with the Varyag and the Su-33 that china is hoping to get will be with the new one that has yet to be built. and nice pics.

Thanks for the new pics! The ship looks cleaner to me. Less crap all over. . I'm waiting for the day when they install PAR, sensors and weapons. Then we will really know something...

can we deduce anything from the pictures that we didnt know before? the smoke and lower rear waterline are big tippers for an engine, but nothing is guareteed. i think we need some more deck shots, to see whats going on.

About the smoke that's coming out of Varyag, shouldn't the smoke be coming from the top of the island? If you look at the picture of Kuznetsov, the smoke seems to be coming out from the top.