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Lundblad.Jeff · 10-12-2009

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Originally Posted by maozedong

any body can tell me why the head portion of the" mockup" fighter must be wrapped in? if it is not real plane, there is no necessary to do that.

What is the point in covering in the real one if everyone already saw the design of the mockup?

Bltizo · 10-12-2009

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Originally Posted by Lundblad.Jeff

The engines look a little small to me. The WS-10a looks like its substantially bigger. But it is true that these engines are buried in the frame of the plane (to hide it from IR or improve stealth????). Also there appears to be extensive modifications to the nose of the craft. It is angled more sharply downward as you noted, but also seems to have canards (hard to tell). Also, It seems as if the fuselage itself has a bigger "hump" and the cockpit is actually sunk in the fuselage, whereas the Su-33s cockpit is like a bubble sticking out of the main body (perhaps this has something to do with reducing radar sig). Looks like there also might be modifications to the intakes, they seem to extend further forward than in the Su-27.

One point I would like to mention is the naming of the craft. Originally it was thought that China's naval fighter would be called the J-11BJ (signifying that it would be derived from the J-11B). But lately it appears to be called the J-15. To me, if it were J-11B derived (basically an Su-33) it would have retained the J-11BJ name. While I agree that this new plane is based off a flanker, it is obviously dissimilar enough to receive an entirely new designation.

If it receiving the J-15 name, shouldnt we expect it to be heavily modified from an Su-27?

I'm not too sure about the WS-10A's size, I can't tell any real difference from before..
The nose can be canted for improved carrier landing view for pilots, stealth, or AESA radar (like the J-10B).
I can't really tell if there are canards or not...

For the naming, I thought that the J-11BJ was just turned into the J-15, and the two designations are somewhat synonymous, I wouldn't think too much about it.

maozedong · 10-12-2009

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Originally Posted by Lundblad.Jeff

What is the point in covering in the real one if everyone already saw the design of the mockup?

If you've seen the fighters at the airport maintenance, some rest time the fighter's nose is wrapped canvas.

zyun8288 · 10-13-2009

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Originally Posted by SteelBird

Before saying so, you must confirm two things: the pictures are in China and not PSed.

how about this sat photo

kroko · 10-13-2009

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Originally Posted by maozedong

any body can tell me why the head portion of the" mockup" fighter must be wrapped in? if it is not real plane, there is no necessary to do that.

In order to confound the outside world, and make them think if china has a new plane or not, like what happening to us right now

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zyun8288 · 10-13-2009

I think some of us who can read chinese texts have not summed up all the related information, especially if we look back at what have available in the past year.

As other posters provided, official chinese news, ignored by everybody in china 1 year ago, had clearly stated that china's main surface war ship design institution 701 has won contract to build itself a "general integration platform" at HuangJiaHu. From then on there has been news reports (drown in numerous chinese daily news reports) about this project.

Unofficially, certain WuHan local BBS has been talking about this construction for months already. Nearly 2 months ago when pictures of this construction site surfaced on major chinese BBSs, almost everyone ignored it as yet another amusement Park.

But one month ago when the unpainted island has taken shape, couple of people have taken notice, and coincidentally rumors started to float that Varyag's island was going to be changed.

Last friday, it's proved that Varyag is taking shape like this land model. That has sent hundreds of WuHan local fans to HuangJiaHu.

So, if anyone wants confirmation, why not get a ticket to WuHan and spend another US$1 for a bus ride to HuangJiaHu.

latenlazy · 10-13-2009

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Originally Posted by zyun8288

I think some of us who can read chinese texts have not summed up all the related information, especially if we look back at what have available in the past year.

As other posters provided, official chinese news, ignored by everybody in china 1 year ago, had clearly stated that china's main surface war ship design institution 701 has won contract to build itself a "general integration platform" at HuangJiaHu. From then on there has been news reports (drown in numerous chinese daily news reports) about this project.

Unofficially, certain WuHan local BBS has been talking about this construction for months already. Nearly 2 months ago when pictures of this construction site surfaced on major chinese BBSs, almost everyone ignored it as yet another amusement Park.

But one month ago when the unpainted island has taken shape, couple of people have taken notice, and coincidentally rumors started to float that Varyag's island was going to be changed.

Last friday, it's proved that Varyag is taking shape like this land model. That has sent hundreds of WuHan local fans to HuangJiaHu.

So, if anyone wants confirmation, why not get a ticket to WuHan and spend another US$1 for a bus ride to HuangJiaHu.

Wuhan's a bit far from Shanghai, but if I ever get a chance to go there I'll take a look

Maggern · 10-13-2009

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Originally Posted by latenlazy

Wuhan's a bit far from Shanghai, but if I ever get a chance to go there I'll take a look

Bring a camera with one heck of a good lens, so we get some decent detailed pictures

Seacraft · 10-13-2009

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Originally Posted by zyun8288

how about this sat photo

That matches the big photo running around the net, just south of Wuhan University of Science and Technology.

tphuang · 10-14-2009

We have a bunch of new pictures coming out taken on the building itself by a the Chang Jiang Newspaper. It's amazing that they allow so much to be taken so up-close.

tphuang · 10-14-2009

the last set of those pictures.

Pointblank · 10-14-2009

Hmm... I say it definitely shows that the Chinese are very much interested in getting the Varyag operational. I mean, why go to all the trouble of refurbishing the hull, making major modifications to the island, conducting long term dry docking for unknown work, and building a test and training facility which looks exactly like the deck of the Varyag?

Lundblad.Jeff · 10-14-2009

Note that for these official photos, the plane is completely covered.

tphuang · 10-15-2009

the actual article by the reporter that took these photos can be found here.
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all in Chinese, just describes that the structure looks like a replica of Varyag. It's located at 中国舰船设计研究中心新区. The new zone of the 701 Institute.

Also, Z-8 does not look like a mockup at all.

Bltizo · 10-15-2009

I think the plane/J-15 is probably a mock up.

The surface of the plane (in the close up/underneath shot of it) looks too smooth and looks to me like it was molded from plastic..
the landing gear and surface in general just lacks detail.

Also if it was a real plane, how would they have gotten it on top of the building in the first place (either by elevator or helicopter, we haven't seen evidence of the former, and I'm not sure if China has any helicopters which could take a heavy weight fighter like a flanker deriative). Therefore I'm thinking the plane is a mock up.

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