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Wolverine

The British HMS Ocean and the French Jeanne d'Arc and the new Mistral class amphibious assault ships are all helo-only. No VTOL fixed wing aircraft.

challenge

to early to said,most radar has to be mounted high in the mast,not the near the sea level.

Maggern

AESA-radars are most likely too big and heavy to be placed on a mast? Of course, you'd want them as high up as possible, but you're still limited to resting it on the ships' structure itself.

challenge

by not placing the radar high mast could affect the radar ability to detect low flying aircrat or missile.
second it could be health hazzard,exposing the crews particular these on the flight deck to radiation.

Pointblank

HMS Ocean can actually operate as a Harrier ferry, and the RFA Argus can also do the same.

Wolverine

They can all act as Harrier "ferrys". A cargo ship could act as a Harrier ferry.

tphuang

an article on Kanwa claims that China also imported a Su-25UTG from the Ukrainians on top of the T-10K. They could have purchased it to try to develop a naval trainer based on L-15/JJ-9 or to learn more about hardened airframes + additional components of a naval aircraft.

Vlad Plasmius

I guess I'm still confused generally one would not commission a carrier unless the crew was already properly trained to operate the ship. It's kind of like building an aircraft without having a pilot for it.

I stand corrected. Still, I think China is likely to pursue VTOL aircraft capability for any such ship it builds.

bd popeye

That's the way it would seem but not necessarily true. Many navies give the new crew basic training about the ship. Then after commissioning full fledged training starts. I have no idea how the PLAN goes about this task.

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Jeff Head

On a new US Navy CVN, where there are over 5,000 crew members, you will see an intitial commissioning crew working with the manufacturer for the PCU (Pre Commission Unit) to get the vessel commissioned which can take 3 or more years. That crew is more heavily weighted towards seasoned crew members who can help get the ship commissioned. Throughout that process you will have crew members being rotated in and out depending on their particular expertise and duty record/status so that seasoned crew continually train new crew in their functions. Once the carrier is commissioned, this continues, but now with a lot of enlisted men and women, NCOs and officers who understand carrier operations and who are sprinkled with newer recruits to work the vessel so that the carrier comes out of commissioning serving as an effective operational platform, but also helping train even more sailors regarding carrier operations.

The US has this luxury because it has 11 other carriers and their crews (both current and past) spread out cross the fleet.

For a nation putting together its first carrier...or even second or third, this is not going to be the case and will not be so until after a number of years have passed and the experience at sea, with a fully commissioned and operational carrier have taken place with enough personnel to make it possible.

So, yes, they will be trained as much as possible beforehand...but particuarly for the first carrier, the initial crew will still have a LOT to learn.

My guess is that the PLAN will pull heavily from the Type 071 LPD and some of the larger DDGs to help in this area...but particularly in air operations, they will be learing a lot from scratch.

bd popeye

Excellent explanation Jeff^^^!

On an USN sailors are assigned to the PCU as far as three years in advance the ships commissioning. This is done for the reasons Jeff stated. Some sailors assigned to the PCU never make a deployment on that new ship because they have spent 4+ years on board by the time that deployment has rolled around. Fret not, they've done their job by training their replacements.

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http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_61c9f8a90100ep4z.html
http://bbs.wforum.com/wmf/bbsviewer.php?trd_id=38368

Partial answer to the question is that they simulate training on land.
The following pictures are rumored to be somewhere around Wuhan.

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astrotrain

Wholly crap they made a building the partial size of a carrier with the island and takeoff ramp. Is this facility a mirror to what is in ukraine?


When that carrier plane lands how does it get back onto the building?

Jeff Head

Yes, we have seen similar pictures for some time and there is no doubt that the PLAN is doing all it can to train in that fashion. But none of that can substitute for actually working off of the actual deck at sea as it pictches and moves about.

It will be interesteing to see if the PLAN ultimately does some training at sea with the Russians or the Brazillians to further prepare.

kroko

whoa. China seems to already train for a operational varyag. I wonder if varyag is for training only. So the PLAN would be training for the training ship, .