Future PLAN Carrier Borne Aircraft

It's sort of like Christmas... Chinese style. I saw that drawing floating around last week but didn't think anything of it since it just looked like someone's doodle. Now if that engine chart in the WS-10 thread is real, some light has been shed on the J13 mentioned on it.

Originally Posted by AssassinsMace

It's sort of like Christmas... Chinese style. I saw that drawing floating around last week but didn't think anything of it since it just looked like someone's doodle. Now if that engine chart in the WS-10 thread is real, some light has been shed on the J13 mentioned on it.

Indeed, news is going really quickly now! I saw this image around for a couple of days as well but I didn't really know what it was until huitong said that it was the carrierborne 'J-13'. We all knew Shenyang was working on a navalised J-11 but I wasn't really expecting a whole new designation (something like J-11H or something would have been just as good but if they are going out of their way to call it the J-13 then there is probably more to it than just a new engine, landing gear and 'semi-stealth').

Well I just hope the J-11B has nothing to do with it. All that flack it being a rip-off should tell Beijing to go away from that direction.

I wondering if this pic of the supposed JH-7A upgrade or maybe JH-7B model is really the J-13. Maybe it's the angle, but aside from the cockpit, the area around the intakes look somewhat similar.

Originally Posted by AssassinsMace

Well I just hope the J-11B has nothing to do with it. All that flack it being a rip-off should tell Beijing to go away from that direction.

I wondering if this pic of the supposed JH-7A upgrade or maybe JH-7B model is really the J-13. Maybe it's the angle, but aside from the cockpit, the area around the intakes look somewhat similar.

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Well it is what it is. A licensed Flanker variant. That doesn't mean the Su-27/Su-30 is obsolete though, India's Su-30MKI is a very impressive aircraft with some Indian components in it. As long as it gets the job done it should be fine although in my opinion you are right, but the entire 'new' J-11 project came about during the early 90s when Russia was the only country really willing to sell anything to China. At the time there was only the J-9, J-10 and J-13 projects going on, all were light single seat fighter designs. A large twi-engine air-superiority fighter is some at the time China could not really produce itself, things have changed now obviously and we don't REALLY know how different the J-13 will be from the J-11B.Besides this is Shenyang we're talking about, they've never exactly been known as risk takers.

As fro the image itself, yah, the picture is sort of wonky, at first I wasn't sure if I was looking at normal J-11 intakes or some sort of J-10 style chin mounted intake until I realised what sort of perspective they were trying to show

Does Huitong's pic of the supposed render of the J-13 displayed on CCTV have anything to do with the new cockpit display seen at the 2008 Zhuhai Airshow.

hmm the attitude indicators arent in sync ...

Originally Posted by AssassinsMace

Does Huitong's pic of the supposed render of the J-13 displayed on CCTV have anything to do with the new cockpit display seen at the 2008 Zhuhai Airshow.

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It could just be the blurryness of the picture, but those wings look VERY different from the Su-27/J-11, to me it looks like some sort of trapezoidal wing configuration like the F-104 star fighter (although much longer)

The drawing is probably old. Who knows about the the image from CCTV but has significant changes. Maybe someone who happened to see the program can say. The wings are different from the drawing but more similar to the image on the cockpit display. Don't recall Chinese military aircraft having wings that look like that. Again it could be the angle in the CCTV image.

Originally Posted by AssassinsMace

The drawing is probably old. Who knows about the the image from CCTV but has significant changes. Maybe someone who happened to see the program can say. The wings are different from the drawing but more similar to the image on the cockpit display. Don't recall Chinese military aircraft having wings that look like that. Again it could be the angle in the CCTV image.

It can't just be the angle, I can't possibly think of an angle that would make the Su-27's delta wings look like that. Maybe somebody can ask huitong why the diagram picture of the J-13 looks so different from the CCTV7 picture?

Well Huitong supposedly has a good reputation in these matters.

I've seen that CCTV image floating around too about the same time of the drawing. So it seems it might be something was broadcasted on CCTV recently. Interesting to hear from someone who might have watched the program.

Originally Posted by Lundblad.Jeff

Also, I found this CG on the net, looks almost identical to the diagram on cnair, but it's an alleged rendering of the PAK FA.

looks very different to me. The wings, stabilizers, engines, everything

What sort of performance differences would large trapezoidal wing configuration create compared to the J-11's normal delta wing configuration?

The article huitong wrote said that there seems to still be speculation going on, while many originally thought it was going to be a navalised J-11B, it seems that the latest indictions are that it will be a new design. This goes, I guess, to explain the discrepancies between the images posted of the 'J-13'. That of the Su-27-like drawing, and the CG trapezoidal winged aircraft from CCTV7. Most interestign though is that huitong states that the first prototype flight will be in 2-4 years which means there needs to be an operational aircraft carrier to go with it obviously. Seeing as how China only very recently made inkilings of building an indigenous carrier. That only leaves the Varyag. So if huitong's information is correct (which although not 100%, generally is), the Varyag itself will be seaworthy in 2-4 years (which is probably what everybody was guessing already, but at least the stoires line up). My question though is continued speculation on the Su-33, there are rumours that the PLANAF is negotiating for them, some others say that they have even already aquired some etc. etc. by question is if the PLNAF intends to operate several different kinds of naval aircraft at once? I thought the general move in the PLA was to streamline this sort of things and reduce the amount of different, redundant aircraft in service (which is why AVIC was remerged)?

Originally Posted by Semi-Lobster

What sort of performance differences would large trapezoidal wing configuration create compared to the J-11's normal delta wing configuration?

It would allow takeoff with heavier load, and better handling at low speeds, ideal for carrier operations. But it would pose higher resistance at high speeds, so its top speed would be lower than normal J-11.