FFG 054/054A Thread

[escobar]

montyp65 why do you want them to match japan aegis destroyer
they are frigate not destroyer

[montyp165]

Originally Posted by escobar

montyp65 why do you want them to match japan aegis destroyer
they are frigate not destroyer

Was referring to Type 052D and future destroyers being equipped with box VLS launchers specifically.

[tphuang]

Originally Posted by escobar

tphuang
do you believe the third 054A would be different from the previous?

i think it will be but the difference won't be dramatic. 054B I think will be a big change, involving more VLS cells, probably CODOG propulsion and more emphasized in ASW.

[crobato]

Personally I don't think there will be any change at all, not at least for the next two ships.

Having more VLS would mean an increased in ship size to absorb all that weight (an increase in the hull surface area that has contact with the water) and at some point it would stop being called a frigate.

[Roger604]

It's strange that two Type 054's are being built in HD while another Type 054 is being built in HP.

Is it possible that one of the Type 054's being built in HD is a Type 054B?

[crobato]

If ships are being built in a fast mass production pace, its unlikely to be different from each other. Furthermore, such a pace of production is also like to express satisfaction with the base design that they're not likely to introduce a new variation soon. So its likely to be the same type of ship.

However, though visually it seems that the ship in Huangpu is starting to look different and there is a question whether its a 054A being built there. I had more of the impression from the hull's appearance that its actually more of a 052C type.

[tphuang]

Originally Posted by Roger604

It's strange that two Type 054's are being built in HD while another Type 054 is being built in HP.

Is it possible that one of the Type 054's being built in HD is a Type 054B?

I only see one 054A ship being built in HD and none confirmed in HP. I'm not sure where you get 2 and 1 from.

[Roger604]

Originally Posted by tphuang

I only see one 054A ship being built in HD and none confirmed in HP. I'm not sure where you get 2 and 1 from.

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Originally Posted by crobato

Some rumors, implying a fifth and a sixth vessel in Hudong (did not count the possible construction in Huangpu).

I thought HP was where this mysterious "too big to be 054A" is.

[tphuang]

Originally Posted by Roger604

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I thought HP was where this mysterious "too big to be 054A" is.

we only have photo of 1 under construction. Theoretically speaking, HP should have something under works. We've been speculating for a while, but really no picture has come out to support it.

[crobato]

You probably missed or forgotten this picture which was posted in this thread earlier and in the 052C thread.

Its a pretty good bet its a warship, due to the lines and shape of the side that suggests RCS reduction. But it looks more 052C than 054A. The shipyard is Huangpu.

[tphuang]

Originally Posted by crobato

You probably missed or forgotten this picture which was posted in this thread earlier and in the 052C thread.

Its a pretty good bet its a warship, due to the lines and shape of the side that suggests RCS reduction. But it looks more 052C than 054A. The shipyard is Huangpu.

no, I remember that one, I'm just saying that one doesn't look like its in the 054 class. Maybe we will see one more like 054A at the new HP shipyard.

[crobato]

As a note, the 054 (original) does have a facet that runs throughout the bow and forecastle like the picture here and the 052B/C series. This facet for some reason was removed on the 054A. Either the ship here is reverting back to the original configuration of the 054, a little unlikely in my opinion but a probability nonetheless, or its a 052C type, more likely for me.

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[crobato]

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