FFG 054/054A Thread

[xihaoli]

Actually, china have developed a few close range missiles in the past, the only problem is that they've all only been used as export items. Take for example the Ly-60 system used on Pakistani frigates, and the mark-41 sea sparrow system used on the type 25 frigates (The ships were build to specs, then installed after delievery)

I also remember a diagram on Cdf that showed a 520 T with some kind of close range missile. There are actually pictures of it here, i for got the name, but i remeber it as a Qw-2 with a large diameter booster.

The 054 frigates might be ASW frigates, by Plan standards anyways........Another testiment to the trully awful Asw of the Plan....although the k-28 is a huge improvement. How do they plan to equip the ships if sinodefence only listed 5 K-28s ordered? This would include one training helo?

[MIGleader]

Sinodefence says the PLAN has seven ka-28s. Thats enough for one on the each 52c, 52b, and sov. When the second 956em sov arrives, it may come with a helicopter. So with this distribution, I'm forced to believe the 54's use the z-9c.

[DPRKPTboat]

It would make more sense moneywise for the 054 to use indigenous heliecopters, it would cost more money to buy ka-28s. But then China may want a more advanced helicopter than the Z-8.

[KYli]

Originally Posted by DPRKPTboat

It would make more sense moneywise for the 054 to use indigenous heliecopters, it would cost more money to buy ka-28s. But then China may want a more advanced helicopter than the Z-8.

It should be Z9C for the Navy. The Z10 could be an option, but Z10 built only the Army version now.

[Sczepan]

Range of KA 28 is only 800km with auxiliary fuel; Z-9 have a Range of 1,000 km - and have more max. speed (>300 km/h instead of 250 km/h);
so to me Z-9 looks better for long distance operations;

Z-8 with an ferry range of 830km; combat range 500km (with 3,000kg payload) compared to max payload: 4,000kg by KA-28 should be used by big ships like LPHs, Carriers ....

[swimmerXC]

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[DPRKPTboat]

Thanks for the photo. Does it show one of the current two hulls when they were under construction? Or does it show a new hull being built? That looks like quite a recent photo.

[tphuang]

the photo in the picture is claimed to be from the 054A under construction in HuangPu

Now, from the picture, it mentions VLS version of a Chinese Klinok rather than VLS version of Chinese shtil. Interesting. I wonder if the photo is a fake or not.

[Gollevainen]

The VSL pic is from Russian Udaloy class DDG, and the "pic" of the ship is GCI...so it's not real...

[tphuang]

Originally Posted by Gollevainen

The VSL pic is from Russian Udaloy class DDG, and the "pic" of the ship is GCI...so it's not real...

yeah, I didn't think the photo is real either. And I never said the ship pic was real. But the pic was mentionned on CDF a while back as the picture of one proposed 054A designs by a Chinese shipyard.

[swimmerXC]

.... (my life is kinda busy right now... BUT i still do check this forum everyday)

[sino52C]

Z-9C lacks the advanced avonics of the KA-28, but I still think they would use the Z-9C since it would make more sense to put indigenous helicopters on a relatively cheap platform. The Harbin class also uses Z-9Cs.

I don't think 45 FFGs were designed to be ASW dominant ships, so fitting them with more advanced helicopters doesn't make sense.

Speaking of ASW, does anyone know the capabilites of the sonar or torpedo capabilites to the type 54?

Thanks.

[tphuang]

Originally Posted by sino52C

Z-9C lacks the advanced avonics of the KA-28, but I still think they would use the Z-9C since it would make more sense to put indigenous helicopters on a relatively cheap platform. The Harbin class also uses Z-9Cs.

I don't think 45 FFGs were designed to be ASW dominant ships, so fitting them with more advanced helicopters doesn't make sense.

Speaking of ASW, does anyone know the capabilites of the sonar or torpedo capabilites to the type 54?

Thanks.

054 is actually supposed to be an ASW frigate believe it or not. It's supposedly equipped with China's latest sonar and torpedo (latest Yu-7). We've seen China showing it's indigenously developed Towed Array Sonar to the public. Not sure if it's actually on 054. Maybe someone more qualified can comment on this based on the 054 pictures?

[MIGleader]

How advanced could the "latest" yu-7 possibly be? Its range is less than 15km, and its speed is only 43 knots. Does it perhaps have some new guidance in addition to basic passive and acoustic homing? Otherwise, im rather skeptical of it's abilities

Why doesnt the PLAN abondone it's yu-7 in favor of clearly superior russian torpedoes, such as the ss-n-14 silex(on Kara class), which has a range of 55km and a speed approching mach 1.

[darth sidious]

Originally Posted by MIGleader

How advanced could the "latest" yu-7 possibly be? Its range is less than 15km, and its speed is only 43 knots. Does it perhaps have some new guidance in addition to basic passive and acoustic homing? Otherwise, im rather skeptical of it's abilities

Why doesnt the PLAN abondone it's yu-7 in favor of clearly superior russian torpedoes, such as the ss-n-14 silex(on Kara class), which has a range of 55km and a speed approching mach 1.

because the production line shut down in russian after the fall of USSR same for a lot of soviet weapons.

most of chian's enemies have weak sub forces plus china also has a rather large sub for its self so asw can be ignored up to a point