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Originally Posted by sumdud

Sounds more like a blitz of some sort, bullying the CSG.

It can decimate the fleet, but I doubt it can kill a CVN. You have the armor that it has, the ships around it that you have to deal with first.

China right now do not have a lot of ASM strike planes.

BTW, is the Ohio deployed in Guam one of the SSBNs or SSGNs?

So far as I know, no conversions are completed yet. So, SSBN.

Originally Posted by Neko

So far as I know, no conversions are completed yet. So, SSBN.

Ohio SSGN
USS Ohio (SSBN 726) — Out of service 29 Oct. 2002 for conversion to SSGN, Puget Sound Naval Shipyard
USS Florida (SSBN 728) — conversion to SSGN scheduled for October 2003, Norfolk, Va.
USS Michigan (SSBN 727) — conversion to SSGN scheduled for October 2003
USS Georgia (SSBN 729) — conversion to SSGN scheduled for 2004


I think that is the SSGN Ohio. The US will not forward deploy one of its strategic nuclear assets

Originally Posted by IDonT

Ohio SSGN
USS Ohio (SSBN 726) — Out of service 29 Oct. 2002 for conversion to SSGN, Puget Sound Naval Shipyard
USS Florida (SSBN 728) — conversion to SSGN scheduled for October 2003, Norfolk, Va.
USS Michigan (SSBN 727) — conversion to SSGN scheduled for October 2003
USS Georgia (SSBN 729) — conversion to SSGN scheduled for 2004


I think that is the SSGN Ohio. The US will not forward deploy one of its strategic nuclear assets

So you might think. :P

I've been having diffculty posting on this site. Sorry for my lack of response.

I didn't know f15s were station on guam (i wonder what for) but guam is way too far away for f15s to be really useful. Of course, it'd be one of main stations (Alongside diego garcia) for bomber raids but we're talking almost 3000 km to china, thats just one way trip. Even with in air refuelling itd be a daunting task, especially when you have a much closer okinawa for basing fighters. Even japan itself, if the politics with jap govt can be worked out, is a significantly closer place to launch fighters

Yes F-15 and B-1 wings are on Guam on a rotationg basis from their bases in the US. Along with KC-10 tankers. If any air force could accomplish the task of re-fueling anywhere ,anytime the USAF could.

I doubt if the Japanese would balk at more USAF planes on Okinawa in the advent of a crisis in the Tiawan straits. But did you know that the governor of Okinawa is trying to kick the US military off Okinawa? Stupid on his part.

As for the USN SSGN program the information on that is schetchy at best. Presently the USN has 16 SSBN's....

I guess the USN got their arsenal ship with the SSGN.
I think those ships carry more than 200 tomahawk cruise missiles.

I think those ships carry more than 200 tomahawk cruise missiles.

Actually it's only 154. I found out more info at global security than on the USN web page...go figure

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...p/ssgn-726.htm

Originally Posted by bd popeye

I've been having diffculty posting on this site. Sorry for my lack of response.



Yes F-15 and B-1 wings are on Guam on a rotationg basis from their bases in the US. Along with KC-10 tankers. If any air force could accomplish the task of re-fueling anywhere ,anytime the USAF could.

I doubt if the Japanese would balk at more USAF planes on Okinawa in the advent of a crisis in the Tiawan straits. But did you know that the governor of Okinawa is trying to kick the US military off Okinawa? Stupid on his part.

As for the USN SSGN program the information on that is schetchy at best. Presently the USN has 16 SSBN's....

i doubt any country like foreign troops on it's soil. it makes the insecure. why cant he just do it? doeas Us own rights to the island?

Originally Posted by MIGleader

i doubt any country like foreign troops on it's soil. it makes the insecure. why cant he just do it? doeas Us own rights to the island?

The US govt, captured the Island from Japan in WWII. Japanese govt, does not have the backbone to kick the US out.

Originally Posted by MIGleader

i doubt any country like foreign troops on it's soil. it makes the insecure. why cant he just do it? doeas Us own rights to the island?

That's a hard one to explain. Consider it a territory of the US.

Hm, this is getting heated. But what i was actually reffering to were the other bases, on japan's mainland, that could perhaps be used by US. I'm taking for granted that okinawa would be a place to launch attacks, no matter what japan says. Where exactly is USN fleet in japan stationed?

Originally Posted by bd popeye

I doubt if the Japanese would balk at more USAF planes on Okinawa in the advent of a crisis in the Tiawan straits. But did you know that the governor of Okinawa is trying to kick the US military off Okinawa? Stupid on his part.

As governor of Okiwana, Mr. Inamine is serving the will of the Ryukyuan people, and not of mainland Japan.

The economic dependency on US military bases, measured by % of gross perfectual expenditure of Okiwana, has declined from 15.6% in 1972 to ~5% today. 78% of all US military basis in Japan are in Okinawa, occupying 30% of the Okiwanan prefecture land.

From a self-interest point of view, there is little to gain for Okinawans to keep the US basis on their island(s) when its economic benefits have declined by 2/3rds over the past 3 decades.

Originally Posted by IDonT

The US govt, captured the Island from Japan in WWII. Japanese govt, does not have the backbone to kick the US out.

No, the Tokyo government of mainland Japan does want to keep the US bases, just not on mainland Japan. There's a phrase called NIMBY - "Not In My Back Yard". Since 78% of all US bases in Japan are off on the Okinawan islands, it's out of sight and out of mind for Tokyo.

Now if all the American military bases were situated next to Tokyo, it'd have been a different story.

Originally Posted by bd popeye

I've been having diffculty posting on this site. Sorry for my lack of response.



Yes F-15 and B-1 wings are on Guam on a rotationg basis from their bases in the US. Along with KC-10 tankers. If any air force could accomplish the task of re-fueling anywhere ,anytime the USAF could.

I doubt if the Japanese would balk at more USAF planes on Okinawa in the advent of a crisis in the Tiawan straits. But did you know that the governor of Okinawa is trying to kick the US military off Okinawa? Stupid on his part.

As for the USN SSGN program the information on that is schetchy at best. Presently the USN has 16 SSBN's....

The Okinawans had long wanted the US out.

adeptitus & Sumdud you are both correct.... To a point.

True that the US Forces on Okinawa have long been a thorn in the side of the Okinawans. There are 23,000 US Marines and suppourting US sailors stationed there.

The economic dependency on US military bases, measured by % of gross perfectual expenditure of Okiwana, has declined from 15.6% in 1972 to ~5% today. 78% of all US military basis in Japan are in Okinawa, occupying 30% of the Okiwanan prefecture land.

When I made my original post I was not thinking of economics. I made no reference to that effect. I was thinking of protection in the event of any conflift in the western Pacific that could threaten Japan and Okinawa.

No, the Tokyo government of mainland Japan does want to keep the US bases, just not on mainland Japan. There's a phrase called NIMBY - "Not In My Back Yard". Since 78% of all US bases in Japan are off on the Okinawan islands, it's out of sight and out of mind for Tokyo

I'm not really sure if this figure,78%, is accurate . The 7th fleet is statiioned in Yokosuka about 35 miles south of Tokyo. In addition to Yokota(USAF) AB. And another USN base in Sasebo.

The USN has 17 ships homeported on the Japan main island of Honshu. Along with the suppourting aircraft.

http://www.c7f.navy.mil/