Anti-Carrier Trump Card

Perhaps popeye can give more adequate view but isen't this quite old pic as there is one Midway class and two Forrestal class wich all are decommisoned in my knowlidge

three arleigh burkes for four carriers? thats pathetic. why arnt there mor escorts?

Those seem more like Ticons.

a tico
a burke

your right, they are ticos.

Originally Posted by Gollevainen

Perhaps popeye can give more adequate view but isen't this quite old pic as there is one Midway class and two Forrestal class wich all are decommisoned in my knowlidge

Those pics are circa Persian Gulf war 1991.

that would explain the lack of escorts, i mean what will the iraqis throw at it?...and rpg!!! lol

The Iraqis had some credible anti-ship assets in the first gulf war (or second if you count the one between Iran-Iraq as no. 1), including FAC's, combatproven Mirage F-1's with Exocet's and helicopters with different ASM's. One 'Silkworm' is reported to have locked onto USS Missouri (yes, the battleship) but the RN Type 42 destroyer HMS Gloucester detected it and destroyed it in the air.

Perhaps popeye can give more adequate view but isen't this quite old pic as there is one Midway class and two Forrestal class wich all are decommisoned in my knowlidge

That's an old picture. Probaly from the Gulf War in '91. I see the Midway, 2 Forrestal and one possible Nimitz. But it could bee the Kennedy or America. An awesome force nevertheless. These type of "plubicity photos" are common when more than one battle group steam together.

Gollevainen is correct all the Forrestal class and Midway are decomissioned. The USN still has in it's possesion 4 decomissioned Forrestal class CV's. However they are in no condition to be re-activated.

three arleigh burkes for four carriers? thats pathetic. why arnt there mor escorts?

Well MIGleader the rest of those battle groups escorts probaly just aren't the picture. Besides an single Tico or A/B can track hundreds of targets at a time.

bd, that probably is the whole cvbg. you can see a huge amount of ocean in this pic, and only the seven ships. three ticos can take on the entire iraqi navy.

That's probably not the whole CVBG, there's not a 'huge' amount of water on the picture, I think the escorts are sailing closer to the CV's than usual for the picture. If nothing else there needs to be a support group with more escorts and some AOR's and other supply ships that can be called upon if needed.

Originally Posted by MIGleader

bd, that probably is the whole cvbg. you can see a huge amount of ocean in this pic, and only the seven ships. three ticos can take on the entire iraqi navy.

Migleader, I made 7 deployments on 5 different CV's. Just because you can't see the escorts does not mean they aren't there. The escorts are often over 50 miles(or more)away.

Three Ticos could have taken on the entire Iraqi Navy? True. But very funny!

if they are fifty mi away, i wouldn't call them escorts. an escort is in enough range to use it weapons to protect the main force. harpoons and standards cant fire fifty mi! i would call a flanking unit, to patrol beside a main force.

Originally Posted by MIGleader

if they are fifty mi away, i wouldn't call them escorts. an escort is in enough range to use it weapons to protect the main force. harpoons and standards cant fire fifty mi! i would call a flanking unit, to patrol beside a main force.

I was in the USN for 20 years . That's how I can say that. 20 years. It was real, I was there. I know how they operate. I know of what I post. I don't make things up. i only post from my knowledge or researched facts. My 25 year old son has been on active duty for 7.5 years. He keeps me informed about what the USN is doing to the unclassified extent he can.

The position of the escorts depends a lot on the operational tempo and security conditions at the time. There are all sort of factors when a ship is at sea.

And that young man is how I know.

ok, im not challenging u. your right. but all im saying was if two groups cannot support eachother, they are flanking units rather than escorts. its not the knolegse, its the word choice.