All About The Chinese Aircraft Carrier Thread

[swimmerXC]

is the L15 out yet... i dont think so
it looks to me like a flanker colored in that blueish/teal color

[Su-27 Pilot]

Originally Posted by BrotherofSnake

China should repair the Varyag and use it.

And use it ?? PLease think that PLAN's has plan for new carriers which will better. PLAN will not repair some old trash and use it.

[PLABUDDY]

Originally Posted by Su-27 Pilot

And use it ?? PLease think that PLAN's has plan for new carriers which will better. PLAN will not repair some old trash and use it.

what do u mean trash?? do u know what varyag can do to u once complete?? It can blow up ur house sky high!! So plz watch what ur saying.

[MIGleader]

varyag may be a bit trashy, but it represents a fater, cheaper way to get a carrier. after its commisioned, you can build your own carrier.

the "flanker" on deck looks more like a j-8, but the blur is so bad it could be anything.

why would the plan not have enough ships to escort a carrier? by the time on is commisioned, they will have 13 modern destroyers, 14 modern frigates, facs, and a whole ton of new subs.

as for the battle system on board, if the plan uses varyag, skywatch is a possibility. it is on kutznev, so buying the system and possibly improving it wont be too hard.

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Originally Posted by MIGleader

varyag may be a bit trashy, but it represents a fater, cheaper way to get a carrier. after its commisioned, you can build your own carrier.

the "flanker" on deck looks more like a j-8, but the blur is so bad it could be anything.

why would the plan not have enough ships to escort a carrier? by the time on is commisioned, they will have 13 modern destroyers, 14 modern frigates, facs, and a whole ton of new subs.

as for the battle system on board, if the plan uses varyag, skywatch is a possibility. it is on kutznev, so buying the system and possibly improving it wont be too hard.

What modern destroyers and frigates are you talking about? For destroyers, China might have 8 or 9. For frigates, maybe 4.

[MIGleader]

2 luhu, 4 sovs, 1 luhai, 2 52b, 2 52c, 2 51c

4 54 and 10 jiangwei two.

not too bad
maybe they'll buy a slava too.

[Jeff Head]

Originally Posted by MIGleader

2 52c

From recent pics, it looks like there may be a third 52C.

[PLABUDDY]

what? They are already equipping Varyag with planes?

[MIGleader]

a third 52c?? can anyone give me a pic?

remeber, varyag is a missle cruser at heart, so it does not need as many escorts as indias carrier. the carrier has more missles than any one of its escorts. of courese, the chinese may take put the missles to add more planes.

[PLABUDDY]

Originally Posted by MIGleader

a third 52c?? can anyone give me a pic?

remeber, varyag is a missle cruser at heart, so it does not need as many escorts as indias carrier. the carrier has more missles than any one of its escorts. of courese, the chinese may take put the missles to add more planes.

Answer my question? Plz friend?

[MIGleader]

fine. the pla has not boght any planes for its carrier yet, as far as i know. i dont think a deal like this will be kept secret. perhaps the russians sent over a sea flanker for trials, but no major buys have occured.

[Jeff Head]

Originally Posted by MIGleader

i dont think a deal like this will be kept secret. perhaps the russians sent over a sea flanker for trials, but no major buys have occured.

Agreed, it would not, and probably could not be kept secret.

[sumdud]

I know China are getting 2 more Sovs and that they are getting DDG 180 and 181, but a 3rd 52C?!

For the carrier: About 40 planes, like the French, much more people efficient than US CVNs. Z-8s are bound to be onboard, long range SAM, new torpedoes(I hope.)

I can't say if Varyag is going to become a CV for China, but I think China should start with a LPH.

[Sczepan]

Originally Posted by sumdud

....I think China should start with a LPH.

China should build a Amphibious Carrier for power projection first; for anti-terrorism, Naval patrol, search and rescue, humanitarian assistance, and amphibious invasion, the China PLA Navy needs several Amphibious carriers.
The amphibious fleet is useless without local airshield, without support by attack helos (and the carrier also should carrie transport- and sub-hunting helos, subs ar a big threat to amphibious fleet) and ground attack planes.
I say amphibious - not only helo carriers, because I vote for some catapults there to be use by light training- and attack aircrafts like the L-15, which also has six (four under-wing and two wingtip) pylons to carry various air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons.
This aircraft could be used to get carrier qualification by amphibious carriers (without obstructing the big carrier) and if necessary, it can serve for lightweight attack role in amphibious operations.
Also the JL-9, also known as FTC-2000 Mountain Eagle (ShanYing) training aircraft has five storestations (one under fuselage and four under wings), and is capable of carrying 2,000kg weapon payloads such as short-range air-to-air missiles and rocket launders and bombs. The Fixed weapon includes a 23mm cannon. So this plane could do the same job - trainee carrier pilots and serve for lightweight attack role in amphibious operations.
But to use these kind of helos and aircrafts, the PLAN need amphibious carriers.

[bd popeye]

For the carrier: About 40 planes, like the French, much more people efficient than US CVNs. Z-8s are bound to be onboard, long range SAM, new torpedoes(I hope.)

More people efficent than a USN CVN? What? In the old forum I explained why there are so many crewmembers on a USN CVN. ..

1. A CVN is the center piece of a CSG(Battle group)The CV suppourts the entire battle group. There are medical,techinal, maintance faclities on board a CVN that suppourt the entire CSG. Nuclear power plants are generally manned at 100+ %. A USN CVN is a extremely complex vessel that requires a large crew for upkeep while at sea.

In the next class of CVN the USN will reduce the crew size. This will also occur to a lessor extent on CVN-77.